# https://www.youtube.com/watch/JiOc0r31-Os

00:00:00.080 At some point in the last decade, everything became about trans people. And I wanted to know why. So two years
00:00:06.960 ago, when I began making this video, I knew things were bad. Stop the harm. Stop the harm.
00:00:15.440 Transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely.
00:00:20.560 But it's so much worse than I thought. We've interviewed Craig's family recently. They say that the therapy you
00:00:26.800 did with him as a child led directly to his suicide as an adult. What do you say about that? I didn't know that. That's too bad.
00:00:33.840 The more I dug, the worse it got. I want to make you understand what I'm
00:00:39.680 getting at. Now take your clothes off.
00:00:45.920 What I found was lies, abuse, and conspiracies.
00:00:51.039 Decades of studies built upon vulnerable children. Every single part of trans
00:00:57.840 research is rotten. And it all starts with this question.
00:01:04.319 Why are people transgender? In 1990, there were four recorded cases of
00:01:09.680 transgender kids in the UK. In 2021, there were more than 5,000.
00:01:16.720 But this video isn't about that question. It's about the people who try to answer it.
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00:01:34.560 I think I think I have an idea for a new video. I'm kind of working on something else right now right there. But this
00:01:41.840 book, I got it recommended or I I saw some people recommending it of exposing
00:01:47.600 the trans lie inside the UK um health service. It's called A Time to Think:
00:01:55.119 The Inside Story of the Collapse of the Tavistock's Gender Service for Children by Hannah Barnes. Hannah Barnes is a um
00:02:02.240 is a journalist from the UK. Anyways, h if you don't know because nobody knows, the Tevertock gender service for
00:02:08.878 children was the place in the UK where
00:02:14.080 children could get help if they are transgender or if they show signs of
00:02:19.760 gender dysphoria. The first chapter starts from the uh point of view of a clinician called Anna Hutchinson.
00:02:26.000 Dr. Hutchinson was seriously concerned. Are we hurting children? She asked, keen
00:02:31.520 to be reassured. It's the question that underpins everything she's feeling. She was not told no.
00:02:39.120 So the whole point of this book is to examine whether the health service was
00:02:45.440 hurting children and specifically children, trans children, children with
00:02:51.200 gender dysphoria. This is all fine and dandy, right? But something just doesn't
00:02:58.800 something doesn't sorry. Something doesn't add up. Let me put you down here. Hannah Barnes seems like an honest
00:03:05.440 journalist, right? She uh uses a lot of citations and she uses the right
00:03:10.879 pronouns for trans people. She's totally woke. But in bringing credibility to the
00:03:16.480 book's narrative, Time to Think, she interviews a lot of different experts, a host of them. Those are among a couple
00:03:23.840 of others. Susan and her husband Marcus Evans, um, Asa Keem, David Bell, Kirsten
00:03:30.000 Whistle, Melissa Midian, and then of course Anna Hutchinson. Who is Anna Hutchinson, you ask? I can
00:03:36.879 hear you. Anna Hutchinson is a clinical psychologist with more than 25 years of experience. There are five themes that I
00:03:43.440 think are interesting that I maybe want to have a look at. So the first one is
00:03:49.120 um this one. Whereas most most of the literature on gender non-conforming children was about boys who had a
00:03:55.120 lifelong sense of gender in congruence, Hitsu's waiting room was overpop populated with teenage girls whose
00:04:01.519 distress around their gender had only started in adolescence. That's a rapid increase in the amount of trans people
00:04:07.920 and we know this that trans people have kind of become a hot button topic, right? Listen to this. Many of them were
00:04:15.040 samesex attracted. The same was true for the boys attending kids and many were autistic. Their lives were complicated
00:04:22.479 too. So many seemed to have other difficulties, eating disorders, self harm, depression or had suffered abuse
00:04:28.880 or trauma. How could such different lives and presentations lead to the same answer. Puberty bloggers. There's this
00:04:35.199 rapid increase. There are so many more kids coming into this service. uh most
00:04:40.240 of them are autistic or they're they're complex in some way and they are
00:04:46.160 very vulnerable. Hannah Bans keeps saying that these are vulnerable children and they get puberty bloggers
00:04:51.280 and puberty bloggers by the way is described as something pretty horrific.
00:04:58.880 They're called um extreme medical intervention in the first couple of pages. And
00:05:07.120 listen to this. While there are studies that describe the self-reported high satisfaction of young people and their
00:05:13.120 families of being on puberty bloggers and some improvement in mental health, others suggest there is evidence that
00:05:19.440 puberty blogger use can lead to changes in sexuality and sexual function, poor bone health, stunted height, low mood,
00:05:26.400 tumorlike masses in the brain, and for those treated early enough to continue on to cross sex hormones, almost certain
00:05:33.680 infertility. Maybe they get make these children happier. But she also writes, "Many
00:05:41.199 studies claim to show the benefits of puberty bloggers to mental health, but these have all been heavily critiqued
00:05:46.960 and shown to have significant methodological flaws." Okay. Anna Hutchinson, the the clinical
00:05:52.639 the clinician from before um asks, "What if it's not right to put young people,
00:05:59.199 10 year olds on puberty bloggers?" "It is mad," was the reply. So
00:06:06.479 why why do it? I don't get it. If it's so bad,
00:06:12.800 one thing is trans people going through the whole puberty block ordeal. But what if it's what if they aren't trans?
00:06:21.600 We know that not all young people who identify as trans go on to live as trans adults. Hutchinson says, "These studies
00:06:28.479 are small and imperfect with methodological flaws, but according to the NHS showed that in prepubertal
00:06:34.479 children, mainly boys, the dysphoria persisted into adulthood for only 6 to 23% of cases. Boys in these studies were
00:06:41.680 more likely to identify as gay in adulthood than as transgender. According to the fifth edition of the American
00:06:48.400 Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, known as the DSM5, rates of childhood
00:06:55.280 gender dysphoria continuing into adolescence or adulthood range from 2 to 30% for males and 12 to 50% in females.
00:07:03.840 There's a rapid increase in the amount of children. Uh, a a lot of these
00:07:09.039 children are autistic and it's they're complex somehow and they all get puberty
00:07:17.520 bloggers, but puberty bloggers are bad and maybe they aren't trans. It's like,
00:07:24.479 I don't know, those five things
00:07:30.319 shouldn't be that hard to look into. rapid increase autism complexity,
00:07:36.400 puberty blockers, and um the transition. Should be a
00:07:43.360 should be a small quippy video. This video has taken up my day every day
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00:07:51.199 for the last 2 years. It has taken up my weekends. It has made me drop out of
00:07:56.400 university. It has made me stay in a lowpaying dead-end job only because it was the only way I could keep focus on
00:08:02.879 this. But every time I thought I finally reached the end, every time I thought I finally understood the inner workings of
00:08:09.280 this thing, I always managed to turn a corner only to find that I'd really only seen the first floor. That there are
00:08:16.479 levels to this, that the network looped back upon itself, that really everything I thought I understood or knew was only
00:08:23.680 partly true or an outright lie. I'm not a journalist and I don't even
00:08:30.560 have enough subscribers to make money off of this video, but I'm extremely obsessive.
00:08:37.039 Then again, I'm not a perfectionist. There are more things I haven't managed to fit into this way too long video, and
00:08:44.000 there's even more I don't fully understand yet. It's not done, but you know, I am, and that's okay.
00:08:54.480 You know, I've been wrong for a long time. The gender, feminism, economics, on one hand, I didn't understand, but on
00:09:01.040 the other hand, I don't think I wanted to understand just how wrong I can be. And then I went to therapy that one time
00:09:08.240 and realized, hey, being wrong is okay. But staying wrong, however, hurts not
00:09:13.360 only me, but in turn makes me hurt the people around me. I know I was wrong and
00:09:19.680 it hurts to accept that you're wrong, but if you want to get better, you have
00:09:24.800 to accept it. All of this is just to say if you watch the whole video and disagree with
00:09:31.519 everything I'm saying, then you're wrong. Now, you may think
00:09:36.720 I'm this or that, but just close down the video, be angry, and come back later. Okay? I just want to read you the
00:09:43.360 last three sentences of the opening chapter of time to think which I think sums up my approach to this. Um because
00:09:50.640 for me it's about healthcare really and how so many people sat back, watched and
00:09:59.120 did nothing. It takes Hanniban's 500 pages and 92 sources to conclude that yes uh they
00:10:06.959 were hurting children and on this we agree. I also think children are being
00:10:13.360 hurt, but how they're being hurt or pretty much everything else. No, I do
00:10:20.079 not agree with Barnes. Look, Hannah Barnes is so wrong that trying to
00:10:25.120 retrace her steps has led me to question, well, pretty much everything I thought I knew.
00:10:32.320 How do I know Barnes and this book is wrong? Well, there are two ways
00:10:38.399 of going about it. You could read through all his sources through the decades of research, court documents,
00:10:45.600 counterarguments, sociological and scientific advancements, political movements, leaks, corruption, and
00:10:52.480 motives. All my sources are linked right here and
00:10:57.920 in a separate document in the description. You could do that or, you know, you
00:11:04.560 could just listen to trans people. And to any trans person watching, you don't
00:11:10.640 need me to tell you that you have a right to exist. You deserve love and
00:11:15.680 kindness, but you don't need me to tell you that. And if you're trans, I'll warn
00:11:22.640 you, there's very little kindness in what I'm going to show. So, all in all,
00:11:29.040 let me show you what happened when I looked into those five small things.
00:11:35.120 rapid onset of possible transness, autism, complexity, puberty bloggers,
00:11:42.000 and desistence. But first, we're going to have to lay out some fundamentals just so we don't
00:11:48.800 accidentally misunderstand each other. Chapter 2, transphobia. In the summer of
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00:11:54.560 2019, Kirsty and Whistle published an open letter to the director of the Tavistock clinic, Poly Carmichael.
00:12:01.120 Christian Whistle is one of the people who had a bond interviews in a time to think and whistle had begun her work
00:12:06.800 with the Tavstar clinic in October of 2017. She lasted exactly one year.
00:12:15.120 The open letter is a little superficial as she herself admits that she was a
00:12:21.279 little naive about the whole gender stuff when she started working there. But what's interesting is not really her
00:12:27.600 professional warriors. It's the same stuff about puberty blockers and complexity and dransition that I'll go
00:12:33.200 over in a bit. The interesting part is her personal worries. She mentioned how
00:12:38.240 she has continued to follow transgender issues online. And one of the things I
00:12:43.279 felt concerned about is seeing the bullying and intimidation for those people who raise valid concerns and how
00:12:49.200 she urges the director to look up stories of dransitioners.
00:12:54.560 It's very clear that she's afraid, honestly. Afraid of what might happen to those children she oversaw, afraid of
00:13:01.680 the reaction she'll get when she publishes the letter, and that she'll be ignored and labeled a transphobe.
00:13:09.200 Kirsty and Whistle mentions transphobia 14 times throughout her letter. One of
00:13:15.360 the major themes in Hannah Ban's book, aside from the whole vulnerable children thing, is how quickly the Tavisto had to
00:13:22.560 expand. that there wasn't enough time to think. I mean, I obviously time to think is is the rationale for the blocker, but
00:13:28.560 it it was also that it was too there were there was no time to think for any of these clinicians either.
00:13:34.959 Whenever a clinician wanted to explore other options, they were disincentivized
00:13:40.000 to do so. Whenever someone tried to think critically instead of accepting a child's gender and version of events,
00:13:46.480 they were shut down. Whenever someone was raising valid concerns about their
00:13:52.240 child or gender ideology in general, they were called a transphobe because that is what these concerns
00:13:58.240 were, not transphobia, safeguarding and clinical concerns.
00:14:04.959 But uh neither Hannah Barnes nor Christian Whistle ever define what transphobia is. It just kind of sounds
00:14:13.519 bad. And Whistle writes in her letter that calling people transphobic when there
00:14:20.160 are clearly no ground for this allocation causes clinicians to feel anxious about raising concerns. It's
00:14:26.560 almost framed as a slur. And this makes sense if you Google transphobia
00:14:32.079 definition and click on the first result. Both Oxford Cambridge and Miriam Webster defined it something like this.
00:14:38.399 Dislike or fear of and/or aversion to trans people. No one likes being a bad
00:14:45.279 person and this is bad person behavior. Come on. In whistle seems like a person who would march with trans people if
00:14:51.600 they were discriminated against. I fundamentally disagree with Oxfords and Cam Bridges and Miriam Webster's
00:14:57.600 definition. Stick with me for a bit here. Okay, let's say hypothetically
00:15:02.800 that a child is born. A doctor inspects them and finds evidence suggesting the existence of external genitalia
00:15:10.399 penis. The doctor yells out, "It's a boy." And the amorphous child ceases to
00:15:15.680 exist and transform into a boy. Nothing has changed, but everything has changed.
00:15:22.320 When the boy grows up, he might like the idea of being a man. Cool. Maybe he doesn't really think about it. Oh, so
00:15:29.040 cool. If that's the case, he would go under the definition of cisgender or just sis. That means that the gender he
00:15:35.199 was assigned at birth, boy, matches the one he identifies with, man. But maybe
00:15:41.920 the boy doesn't like the idea of being a man. Also cool, but then they might not
00:15:47.600 be a man. Then they might be transgender. So a trans woman is someone who was
00:15:53.040 deemed to be a boy when they were born, but they are actually a woman. A trans man is someone who was deemed to be a
00:15:59.199 girl when they were born, but they are actually a man. What if they don't feel like either a man or a woman?
00:16:06.800 Well, then they're neither non-binary. And what does it feel like to be not a man nor a woman?
00:16:14.000 Don't ask me. I don't know. The three genders, man, woman, and
00:16:19.440 prefer not to answer. By the way, uh some people will have you believe that sis is a slur.
00:16:27.279 It's not. It might feel bad when someone tries to define who you are or like your
00:16:32.480 identity nullifies your experience. Huh? I'm going to use both sis and trans to
00:16:38.800 make it easier to understand what and who I'm talking about. This would be a really bad video if I was scared of
00:16:44.880 offending anyone. And like sure, some people hate trans people.
00:16:50.880 Then the original definition makes sense. But let me explain why that isn't the whole picture. When we talk about
00:16:57.199 racism or homophobia is not only defined as fear, aversion, or dislike. These
00:17:02.720 isms and phobias are also about the relation of one group to another. So it would be sexist to believe that men are
00:17:09.520 superior in nature to women, right? And racist to believe that one ethnic group
00:17:15.679 of people is innately superior to another. I'd argue it's the same way with gender
00:17:22.480 identity. So simply transphobia is believing that transgender people and being trans is inferior to cisgender
00:17:30.320 people and being cis. But it's also something more because we can see the color of people's skin. And we can see
00:17:37.520 when two people make out who are the same gender. We can observe and accept the existence of this with our own eyes.
00:17:45.280 But gender identity, well, we kind of have to trust that what the person is telling us is the truth.
00:17:52.960 Transphobia then is not just believing in the inferiority of a group. It's also
00:17:58.000 questioning whether that group even exists. Chapter 3. Gender. Because the
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00:18:04.880 end whistle said, "I don't have a gender identity. I'm just female." This was
00:18:10.000 immediately branded as transphobic. Okay. Even with the definition of
00:18:15.360 transphobia I just gave, that statement doesn't make sense to label transphobic. [Music]
00:18:21.039 Or does it? I I think we can all agree that whether a man is masculine or
00:18:26.080 feminine, a man is still a man, right? Let me paint the picture for you.
00:18:32.320 Slim wrists, not a hair on his chest, sitting and knitting on his sofa. He
00:18:37.679 might even be wearing a dress. It doesn't matter. This man is still a man. A feminine man being feminine doesn't
00:18:45.360 make him any less of a man in principle. But but we can also all agree that this man
00:18:53.039 is not very masculine. Right? Now let's say for the sake of argument that this
00:18:59.120 man doesn't want to be feminine anymore. He begins to work out. His shoulders broaden. He stops shaving, growing a
00:19:06.000 beard, takes off the dress, and puts on a suit. Total Chad. And now he's much more masculine.
00:19:12.640 All right. So we all somehow know implicitly that some traits are masculine and some traits are feminine.
00:19:19.760 We also know that a person can make themselves more masculine or feminine. But even though masculinity and
00:19:26.160 femininity might be a spectrum, this doesn't change that a man wearing a dress is still a man wearing a dress.
00:19:33.360 Dresses don't make you female, right? Still just looks and actions,
00:19:39.760 descriptors. We can picture the most feminine man ever, but it's still a man.
00:19:45.200 And this is actually really interesting because this hypothetical man is only imaginary. He doesn't have chromosomes.
00:19:52.640 But you know that he is a man because I tell you he is. So when I say the words,
00:19:58.160 I am a man, you can judge my looks and actions and how that compares to your
00:20:03.200 idea of a man, the male archetype perhaps. So you can judge my gender. But
00:20:09.039 when I tell you I am a man, your idea of me is contextualized against what I am saying. You have no idea about my
00:20:16.000 chromosomes or girth or whatever. I promise you I am a man. And there both
00:20:23.520 the promise and the action of telling you what I am is a performance of
00:20:28.880 gender. The man wearing the dress is a man because that's what he is and that's
00:20:35.200 his gender identity. But biology, I hear you ask. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to
00:20:40.720 that. Anyways, I'd argue that cisgender people think just as much about gender
00:20:46.159 as trans people do. It's just not an active distinction we make. It's so
00:20:52.000 ingrained in us. It's so fundamental to us as humans that there's no way not to
00:20:57.039 think about it. But exactly because it's so fundamental, we don't even realize that we think about it. Cisgender people
00:21:04.720 constantly try to alter our gender. the way we are perceived against what it means to be a man or a woman.
00:21:12.000 Let's see. Hair transplants, steroids, getting your chest hole pushed out or
00:21:17.120 breast implants, BBLs and lip fillers, Viagra, laser hair removal, finestide,
00:21:23.120 dermar rollers, wearing bras, breast tissue removal, vagina, comastia, hormone replacement against menopause,
00:21:29.919 hormone replacement therapy against aging in men. I sorry I my sources are in the script.
00:21:40.080 Goddamn testicular implants. Yes, all of this has to do with gender.
00:21:46.559 You might even call it gender affirming care. Actually, why don't we call this
00:21:52.000 gender affirming care? What is the difference between a sis person and a trans person trying to live up to how
00:21:58.320 they want to be perceived? For any trans person trying to get help or treatment, they usually have to go through the
00:22:04.720 medical system and that means getting diagnosed with gender dysphoria. This acts as a third party stamp of approval
00:22:11.919 that yes, this person needs treatment. Gender dysphoria is simply when the sex
00:22:18.159 you were assigned at birth doesn't match up with the one you actually are. That your gender identity is in congruent
00:22:25.440 with your assigned gender. that your body doesn't match your gender, that the
00:22:31.520 you you are is far from the ideal. And maybe this doesn't sound so different
00:22:37.919 from what you and I might feel when we look in the mirror, but there has to be a difference, right? This gender
00:22:45.039 dysphoria must be another kind. Okay, so what if I told you that not all
00:22:50.640 trans people experience gender dysphoria? It's not gender dysphoria that makes a person trans.
00:22:58.000 Not all trans people have this knowing feeling of being born in the wrong body. And this is why I think it gets kind of
00:23:04.720 uncomfortable for a lot of cisgender people. How do we know that someone is trans if they don't fit into the
00:23:11.360 diagnosis of what should make them trans? What actually makes someone trans?
00:23:18.880 Well, I don't know. I don't know. Don't look at me. Listen to trans people.
00:23:24.320 It's well known that not all trans people experience dysphoria and it's generally accepted that you don't
00:23:30.720 legally need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to get treatment. Well, try getting a doctor to take you
00:23:37.840 seriously with that attitude. Bucko Hannah Barnes actually writes about this
00:23:43.360 phenomenon in her book. Some children learn from others what they should and shouldn't say at kids to access hormone
00:23:49.520 treatment. for example, that they're advised not to admit to previous abuse or trauma or uncertainty about their
00:23:55.919 sexual orientation. Oh my god, these children help each other, woke mind
00:24:01.120 virus, etc., etc. But, but okay, think for a moment. Why does the medical
00:24:06.720 system act like Burkheim's doorman? Even the children know that this way of
00:24:12.080 looking at transess as a condition to be fixed is a pretty bad way of looking at
00:24:18.320 it. Young people faced the long waits and often experienced the GID system as gatekeeping. Most of those attending
00:24:25.520 GIDs didn't see themselves as having a psychological or medical condition. And yet they had to face what can seem like
00:24:32.240 intrusive, repetitive, and unnecessary questioning. This isn't just something
00:24:37.840 these kids do. It has literally always since the introduction of the word
00:24:43.440 transsexual to the English language in the 1950s been like this. When the first
00:24:48.960 transexuals were evaluated for their suitability for surgery, their behavior matched up gratifyingly with Benjamin's
00:24:55.200 criteria. It took a surprisingly long time, several years, for the researchers to realize that the reason the
00:25:01.039 candidates behavioral profiles match Benjamin so well was that the candidates too had read Benjamin's book, which was
00:25:07.360 passed from hand to hand within the transsexual community, and they were only too happy to provide the behavior
00:25:12.880 that led to acceptance for surgery. These people have to convince the doctors to take them seriously and the
00:25:18.640 only way to do that is to play into the doctor's preconceived notions of what a trans person should be. It becomes a
00:25:26.080 feedback loop. The clinicians write articles reaffirming the diagnostic criteria and the only people who are
00:25:32.240 seen as really trans are those who match the criteria and so on and so on. I'm
00:25:39.120 not saying that gender dysphoria isn't a real thing. I'm just saying that what it means to be trans is more than being
00:25:47.279 born in the wrong body. Okay.
00:25:52.320 But actually, what makes someone trans? Then there must be some factor somewhere
00:25:57.360 that one person is trans and another person isn't. And honestly,
00:26:02.559 that's what this whole video is about. The search for a why. I've seen two
00:26:08.159 rationale for this search for a cause. On one hand, a course would validate trans people in their existence. Then
00:26:13.600 they wouldn't need to convince anyone. There would be something tangible to point to and maybe people would begin to
00:26:19.360 take them seriously. On the other hand, the other reason and the one I will be focusing on is that
00:26:26.240 with a cause, it would allow doctors to actually treat the trans condition to
00:26:32.240 fix and eradicate a thing they so want to be pathological to stop people from
00:26:37.360 being trans. To come back to Kirsty and Whistle's comment, saying, "I don't have a gender identity. I'm just female." was
00:26:45.039 probably called transphobic because her job was literally about gender identity.
00:26:50.159 Maybe she should have known better, but she definitely shouldn't have taken so personally. What's worse, calling
00:26:56.799 someone racist or that someone actually being racist?
00:27:01.840 Well, I don't think about racism. I'm just skin colored and colorblind. The
00:27:06.960 patriarchy doesn't exist. Men have a really high suicide rate. Haven't you heard? I don't care about money. I'm a
00:27:12.720 landlord. I don't think about my sexuality. I'm just normal. I don't have a gender identity. Pronouns are woke
00:27:18.720 rights. I'm a man. I'm a male. I'm a he.
00:27:24.720 You know, I don't care why trans people are trans. Easy for me to say, I know.
00:27:30.159 But I also don't have an answer. Humankind is not defined by how we relate to our animal ancestors, but how
00:27:36.559 we differentiate from them. What it means to be a man and a woman shifts throughout time and culture. And exactly
00:27:43.520 because it shifts, because we have the power to influence these shifts. And because the ideals themselves are
00:27:49.200 contradictory, inongruent, and impossible, we see gender as separate
00:27:54.799 from sex. So,
00:28:00.159 what is sex? Chapter 4, biology. Before we can get back to Hannah's book, I want
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00:28:07.760 to go through one last thing. To do that, I think I should introduce you to Helen Joyce, someone who wasn't featured
00:28:14.480 in Time to Think. Joyce has a formal education in mathematics together with a
00:28:20.320 PhD in geometric measure theory. From 2005 till 2022, Joyce was employed by
00:28:27.200 the newspaper The Economist where she worked as finance editor, international editor, and then executive editor. But
00:28:34.320 around 2017, Joyce came to an earthshattering revelation. She found
00:28:39.600 out that trans people exist. She had to tell others about the
00:28:45.360 harrowing news. Some hear ominous echoes of another time when well-meaning adults
00:28:50.880 enthralled on ideology put children in harm's way. The post 1968 sexual
00:28:56.159 liberation movement on continental Europe sought to overturn sexual taboos and some thought that meant starting
00:29:02.399 young. In German kindergartens run along radical left lines. Teachers encourage
00:29:07.679 children to fondle them, look at pornography and simulate intercourse. This article is in response to many of
00:29:14.480 the same themes that Hanniban's book covers. Early transition, hormones, surgeries, and then she imagines a
00:29:21.120 future filled with inevitable nasty transitions. But
00:29:26.559 while Barns is kind of bland, Joyce goes into almost pornographic detail on surgeries, sex determination, and then
00:29:33.360 correlates the leftists and pedophilia. And take a look at the next paragraph.
00:29:39.679 Such child abuse was motivated by political conviction, not sexual desire.
00:29:44.720 But it did not take long for pedophiles to spy an opportunity. The radical left was led by men focused on legalizing
00:29:51.760 homosexuality and smashing the nuclear family. Though they did not intend to endanger children, they gave them little
00:29:58.799 thought. I think her writings gives us a good idea of how she thinks the world
00:30:04.559 works. Another example might make it a little clearer. So, let's fast forward
00:30:09.919 to 2021 when Helen Joyce published her first book, Trans: When Ideology Meets
00:30:16.720 Reality. This is not a book about trans people. I will present the scientific research
00:30:23.600 into what causes gender dysphoria and cross- sex identification, but it is
00:30:29.039 irrelevant to evaluating the truth of gender identity ideology and to whether
00:30:34.399 self-declared gender should replace sex across society. This is rather a book
00:30:40.880 about trans activism. It is a story of policy and institutional capture of
00:30:46.880 charitable foundations controlled by billionaires joining forces with activist groups to pump money into
00:30:53.760 lobbying behind the scenes for legal change. I'd argue that gender has replaced sex a long long time ago.
00:31:00.960 Anyways, I want to focus on how she imagines the trans agenda has gone to be. A few wealthy people can have
00:31:08.320 considerable sway. They have shaped the global agenda. Now,
00:31:13.679 Joyce has the courtesy of actually naming these few wealthy people who she
00:31:18.960 accuses of having shaped the global agenda. Jennifer Pritska, John Striker,
00:31:25.600 Martin Rothblat, and George Soros. And okay, first of all,
00:31:32.480 the idea of equal rights, gay rights, and trans rights as not that grassroot
00:31:37.600 movement, but instead a small cabal of people pulling the strings to bring power to the people or ruin western
00:31:44.559 civilization or whatever is an abject lie. Like outright, it's a completely
00:31:50.240 idiotic and uninformed statement to make. Even the smallest glimpse of any history book on, you know, any part of any class uprising will make it crystal
00:31:57.279 clear. Then again, choice is just a mathematician.
00:32:02.320 Okay. Second of all, those four people, Rothblat, Striker, Pritsker, and Soros,
00:32:07.760 all have one thing in common. And can you possibly guess what that is?
00:32:16.320 Yes, they're all Jewish. But since Joyce doesn't provide any
00:32:22.399 sources, we can't for sure know if she is actively spewing neo-Nazi Jewish
00:32:27.600 questions about propaganda or if she's just very very unlucky and her objectively wrong hypothesis of a global
00:32:34.399 agenda controlled by four people who simply happens to be Jews was just a little oopsie. That is, we can't know
00:32:42.080 for sure unless the hypothesis lines up perfectly with another article from Jennifer Blake, another anti-trans
00:32:48.960 activist. And Joyce wrote that she had a meeting with Ble and also commented that while we were waiting for her book, we
00:32:55.440 could read more about the following the money in Bleck's pieces.
00:33:00.480 So yeah, that's what happened. Joyce got the idea from Bick. I lied a little bit
00:33:06.240 before. I don't know if Striker is actually Jewish, but Bleck definitely thinks he is. And Jennifer Beleck is a
00:33:14.320 Nazi conspirator. I'm not being pedantic when I say that Belel longers wholeheing, Jewhating Nazi propaganda.
00:33:28.399 The radical right is led by evangelicals focused on repressing the people and securing a future for
00:33:35.679 children. And it does not take long for Nazis to spy an opportunity. While Joyce
00:33:40.960 might not be a neo-Nazi, she was too motivated by her political conviction, not moral obligation, to notice when she
00:33:48.480 laundered their ideas. Though Joyce didn't intend to platform Nazis, she
00:33:54.080 gave them little thought. But it's such an simple, easy way of viewing the
00:33:59.120 world. Easy explanations, quick conclusions based on hasty assumptions about something she obviously knows next
00:34:06.080 to nothing about. [Music] But
00:34:11.760 this actually has nothing to do with what I wanted to talk about. This is about something way more boring. This is
00:34:18.239 about sex. So, let's zoom into one particular interview Helen Joyce gave to Peter
00:34:25.918 Posian. I think that they often think that you are dog whistling, that you're you're
00:34:32.639 not actually saying what you think. You're saying a palatable lie
00:34:37.839 as a sort of as a gateway into what you might actually think. As a gateway to like throw trans people
00:34:43.679 in ovens. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Even if that's true, wouldn't it be best
00:34:50.399 to just try to use reason, evidence, and argument to defeat the claim on the board?
00:34:55.918 Oh, blind me. Caught in an alley with a murderer. Don't shout for help. It's loud and grating and may irritate the
00:35:02.000 general public. Oh, why not try debating your way out with facts logic instead?
00:35:08.560 Peter, are you are you are you stupid? Uh so we're seeing the worst mass delusion and spread of a culturebound
00:35:15.920 syndrome globally that the world has ever seen. Uh it's on something very fundamental which is the the type of
00:35:22.160 species we are namely mamalon with two sexes. It's extremely harmful to
00:35:27.599 children to women to gay people. Don't think it's great for men either frankly because it's so anti-reality.
00:35:33.440 And so of course you've got to stand up and fight it if you see this. But it's ridiculous. Oh my god. I've never said
00:35:40.960 so. I've never had to counter so many stupid things in my life. Idiotic. Like, imagine I'm having to tell you what sex means. We both know what sex
00:35:47.200 means. It wasn't even a question before. I just want to remind you that Helen Joyce is a mathematician. She has no
00:35:54.240 background in biology, sociology, psychology, nothing. She is as much of an authority figure on this as I am,
00:36:02.400 which says a lot. But maybe especially as a mathematician, something which should be by the laws of nature a static
00:36:10.240 field. I'm not sure I can stress how idiotic it is to think that we both know
00:36:16.240 what sex is. Just like everything that seems basic and is used by the wider
00:36:21.680 public, sex is pretty goddamn complicated. So when a
00:36:28.000 doctor wants to determine the sex of a baby, they go to inspect the genitalia.
00:36:33.359 Sometimes this happens with an ultrasound or later when the child is born simply
00:36:39.440 is dick present and this is the most basic common way of determining the sex
00:36:44.560 of a person but calling it sex determination is a misnomer. The only
00:36:50.960 thing really being established is the existence or lack of a phis. Because
00:36:56.160 while you might reasonably assume that the corresponding gonads, chromosomes, and hormone production follows,
00:37:02.880 this is wrong. Genital inspection literally only establishes the existence of genitals. Nothing else. You see,
00:37:10.880 biology doesn't conform to the neat categories we use to make things easier to understand. So then you might say,
00:37:18.960 well, a man has XY chromosome and a woman has XX chromosomes. And this is
00:37:26.000 both right and wrong. Men are expected to have XY chromosomes and women are expected to have XX chromosomes. But we
00:37:34.079 cannot make this correlation with absolute certainty. Penis is just a penis. A man is just a man and neither
00:37:41.359 are about chromosomes. M the truth that is rooted in our bib biblical understanding that God set
00:37:47.440 forth from the beginning of creation is that your gender is fixed at birth and
00:37:52.720 you cannot change it. And again, you haven't yet answered my question about where do inter where do
00:37:58.320 interex people fall into that equation. Yeah, those interex individuals are
00:38:04.720 still XX or XY. So you can't change that. You sure you don't know?
00:38:10.400 Andy, that's not true. Some people are born with both a penis
00:38:15.599 and a vagina. Are they a man or a woman? Maybe a person can be born with female
00:38:24.000 XX chromosomes, yet also be born with a penis or be born with a vagina and have male XY chromosomes. Some people are
00:38:31.760 born with XXY or XY carotypes. Some are born with a single X. Some are lucky to
00:38:37.680 have the hottest version, the triple X variant. Some have XX Y and some even have one part of their body BXY and
00:38:44.560 another part of their body BXX. And the list of these varieties go on.
00:38:50.000 And this is what we call interex. Look, I'm not arguing that sex doesn't exist.
00:38:55.920 I'm not even arguing that interex people are necessarily a third kind of sex. It's just that what a man is or what a
00:39:03.680 woman is is not two very unique categories. but instead clusters of data points we then assign a value either man
00:39:12.079 or woman. I can also make a religious argument for this if that's something you dig. Uh so
00:39:18.240 this is from uh the Bible. You may have heard about it. Then the Lord made a woman from the ribe taken out of the man
00:39:25.200 and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and
00:39:30.800 flesh of my flesh. She shall be called woman for she was taken out of man. And
00:39:37.359 it's the same with the Quran. Oh humanity, be mindful of your Lord who
00:39:43.440 created you from a single soul and from it he created its mate. Man and woman
00:39:49.520 are not separate but of one flesh of one soul.
00:39:56.160 Anyways, intersects. I remember in an editorial meeting the first time I heard somebody
00:40:02.720 say um oh 2.7% of people are interex as many as have red hair. That's just one of those talking point
00:40:08.560 things and I was completely boggled. I was like what? Like I've literally never met somebody who can be categorized as
00:40:14.400 male or female. So what's your point? Yeah. If we take a closer look at these outliers, I think it gives us a much
00:40:20.640 better understanding of the instability of sex and how far people go to groom
00:40:26.240 biology to fit into two simple boxes. There are two statistics I've seen being
00:40:31.760 used to estimate the frequency of interex people being born. Either that 1.7% of the population is interex or
00:40:38.640 that 0.03% of the population is interex. And both
00:40:44.800 estimates are right, but it just depends on the definition. Only one of those estimates is used to
00:40:51.680 invalidate certain groups. And can you guess which? Some people only
00:40:56.720 acknowledge interex when there is true confusion. When the doctor pulls you out and has no idea what they're looking at,
00:41:03.760 or when you have, let's say, the body of a man but the reproductive organs of a woman, or when the chromosomes don't
00:41:10.400 match the physical body. This is around 0.02% to 0.05% of the population. The
00:41:18.319 1.7% includes Kleinophila and Turner syndromes having XXY or a single X
00:41:23.680 chromosome. And that's as common as people with red hair. Nature doesn't
00:41:28.960 decide where the category of male ends and the category of interex begins or where the category of interex ends and
00:41:35.359 the category of female begins. Humans decide. Wherever the line is drawn, we
00:41:41.040 still don't entirely know how common being interex really is. For one, most
00:41:46.160 people never get their chromosomes checked because why would they? Also, even if we only take the estimates of
00:41:53.040 ambiguous genitalia, we still can't make a reliable estimate. It was only in 2015
00:42:00.079 that the EU recognized that interex people had the right not to get sex
00:42:05.680 reassignment surgery. Listen to this. The prevailing medical
00:42:11.200 opinion is that ambiguous sex can and should be fixed. And in fact, genital
00:42:17.040 surgeries on interex babies have become routine in spite of the fact that they are rarely medically necessary. Emphasis
00:42:24.960 is placed on the newborn's ability to pass for one sex or the other, thus
00:42:30.160 meeting social expectations rather than on the child's best interest and welfare. For example, male newborns with
00:42:37.440 penises smaller than 2 cm considered too small are assigned the female gender and
00:42:43.200 reconstructed to look female, while clitorises larger than 0.9 cm are
00:42:48.319 considered too big and are reduced in size. Joyce introduced her book by
00:42:53.520 wondering whether self-declared gender identity should replace sex across society.
00:42:59.599 But we have never used sex. There's only ever been gender identity. Those who fit
00:43:07.440 and those we make fit. The only difference is that instead of other people declaring your gender, you should
00:43:14.240 have the power to make that declaration yourself. Seriously, we practically never ever use
00:43:22.640 sex because sex is not defined by genitalia, reproductive organs, hormones or chromosomes.
00:43:29.839 Sex is determined by the size of gametes. the sex reproductive cells, the oam and
00:43:36.480 spermatossa, the egg and A man is then someone who produces the small
00:43:41.520 types of gametes and a woman is someone who produces their large size.
00:43:46.880 But aren't we just back at reproductive organs again? Aren't you a woman if you
00:43:53.040 can't produce eggs? Or aren't you a man if you can't produce sperm? Of course you are. Gender critical people who
00:44:01.040 thinks that biological sex is real, important, and immutable have gone from
00:44:06.079 believing sex is related to genitals, but that would mean surgery could change your sex to thinking that reproductive
00:44:12.960 organs define sex. But of course, if infertility erase your sex, it would be
00:44:18.000 Armageddon for one in six people to chromosomes. And this is where it stops being basic
00:44:24.000 biology where chromosomes and hormones and brain differences shift from being a binary to spectrum because it
00:44:31.440 counterintuitively is more precise to gametes. And of course your sex isn't
00:44:37.119 defined by your ability to actually produce gametes. Then infertility would kind of invalidate this argument. Again,
00:44:43.440 it's like Matt Walsh when he and I don't agree with a lot of Matt Walsh's politics, but when he went around going, "What is a woman?" I know. I know. Did you watch that film?
00:44:50.240 Yeah, I did. I do. Remember the chicken? They they do chickens cry. Sounds like we've established there are
00:44:55.359 some people who in principle can get pregnant and there are some people who can't.
00:45:02.319 There's two categories otherwise known as binary. Lots of women can't get pregnant either.
00:45:08.319 Yeah. But they're still of the nature to get pregnant. So sex is not defined by your body, but whether the organism to
00:45:15.280 which you most closely relate is designated to produce eggs or produce
00:45:20.960 And then we just end up back where we started. Yes, sex is a thing that
00:45:28.319 exists, but no, it has no bearing on who you are. Exactly because it is so complicated. Exactly because normal
00:45:34.800 people can't use gametes for anything. Exactly. Because genitals and gonads and chromosomes and hormones don't fit into
00:45:42.319 neat categories, into two neat boxes. It is us, the people who have made the
00:45:47.599 distinctions of what ultimately defines a person. Sex tells us so much, but at
00:45:52.720 the same time, it doesn't tell you or me anything at all. When examining the term
00:45:59.040 sex under a microscope, the dividing walls vanish. We're left with categories that seem made up because it makes the
00:46:05.280 world easier to understand, huh? Maybe
00:46:12.720 like they're con like they constru constructed in some way.
00:46:18.400 I have to pause for a moment, guys, because an important ruling just came up. The UK Supreme Court has now ruled
00:46:24.720 on a definition of what is a woman. Finally. Finally, Matt Walsh has an
00:46:30.400 answer. Thank the Lord. This ruling was only done to exclude trans women from
00:46:35.760 women's spaces. And this was done by three organizations. The Lesbian
00:46:42.160 Project, LGBT Alliance, and Sex Matters. And to bring it back around, Helen Joyce
00:46:49.119 is a director of advocacy for sex matters. She has then had a direct
00:46:54.960 influence on what defines a woman. A woman in the eyes of the UK Supreme
00:47:00.000 Court is defined by her biology. What is biology? You ask. Well, I also
00:47:06.319 ask that question because every single newspaper article I read doesn't mention
00:47:11.599 it. They just say, "No, it's defined by biology." Now, after reading through the
00:47:16.640 80 or so pages, I can conclude that h is England dumb.
00:47:23.760 Is England kind of stupid? The UK Supreme Court just ruled that a woman is defined by her biology. And that is not
00:47:30.240 chromosomes, it's not gametes, it's not hormones, it's not phenotypical sex characteristics, it's not secondary or
00:47:36.560 primary sex characteristics. No, a woman is defined by her ability to give birth,
00:47:45.440 her ability to bear children. A woman in the eyes of the UK Supreme
00:47:51.040 Court is a birthing machine. And you can decide for yourself if that's a good
00:47:56.960 thing. Oh, Jasper, but have you given a slight piece of a thought to sex differences in
00:48:03.440 sports? H I I don't give a about sports. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care.
00:48:10.000 I don't care about sports. I don't care. These are real human beings we are
00:48:15.119 talking about. I don't care about sports. I don't care. I don't care.
00:48:21.920 With all that out of the way, we can finally get to debunking time to think. So, just to reiterate, there are only
00:48:28.240 five things I wanted to look at. Children are rapidly getting gender dysphoria. These vulnerable children are
00:48:36.000 autistic. This is too complex to figure out. They go on to extreme medical
00:48:41.280 intervention. Puberty bloggers. and five almost all of them will dransition.
00:48:47.000 No text
00:48:48.160 Chapter 5 R O Gd Whereas most of the literature on gender non-conforming
00:48:54.319 children was about boys who had a lifelong sense of gender in congruence's waiting room was overpop populated with
00:49:01.200 teenage girls whose distress around their gender had only started in adolescence. GIDS by the way stands for
00:49:08.079 gender identity development service and this phenomenon of a rapid increase in
00:49:14.720 the amount of girls referred to the tavtock is mentioned quite a lot by
00:49:19.920 barns let's see it's mentioned on page 93 19 37 96 125 126 132 1345
00:49:31.920 147 168 172 174 4 176 181 224 233 248
00:49:40.400 249 292 296 306 37 336 339 351 413 424
00:49:50.400 428 434 and 453. And you would think that something which
00:49:56.880 is given so much intention would also be given a name. But Barnes throughout the
00:50:01.920 whole book never ever gives this precise definition of this phenomenon even
00:50:07.440 though it's right it's right right on the tip of my tongue rapid rapid on
00:50:13.760 incre let me introduce you to Lisa Litman who is a certified obstitrician and
00:50:19.680 gynecologist Litman used to co-author papers on contraceptives so nothing really to do with gender dysphoria but
00:50:27.359 this person who had no prior experience experience working with trans people has now become a household name in trans
00:50:34.720 academia. You see, in 2016, she managed miraculously to establish a link between
00:50:41.359 gender dysphoria and phone equals bad.
00:50:46.960 Okay, that's oversimplifying a bit. Um, let's see how she describes it. So the
00:50:53.040 ROGD hypothesis proposes that social influences, maladaptive coping coping
00:50:59.119 mechanisms and other psychosocial factors can contribute to the development of gender dysphoria and
00:51:04.880 transgender identification in recent populations of teens and young adults with late onset gender dysphoria.
00:51:12.640 She calls this rapid onset of gender dysphoria or ROD.
00:51:19.520 Even though Hannah Barnes constantly reinforces the idea of rapid ons and gender dysphoria, she never, not even
00:51:26.000 once, mentions the theory by name, and I just can't get myself to believe that that isn't a deliberate choice. It's not
00:51:32.640 as if Barnes doesn't know about Lisa Litman. She references one of Litman's newer studies on dransitioners later in
00:51:39.839 the book. Uh back in 2016, Lisa Litman's original study, parent reports of
00:51:46.240 adolescence and young adults perceived to show signs of rapid onto gender dysphoria
00:51:51.920 strive to put an answer to the increase in the amount of referrals to gender clinics. like that chart from the
00:51:58.480 Tavvertock I showed at the very beginning of the video, for example.
00:52:03.599 Going from four cases in 1989 to more than 5,000 in 2021 is a 120,000%
00:52:11.520 increase. It's unheard of. And hm, this can't be right. H there shouldn't be so
00:52:17.599 many trans kids, right? Essentially, Litman started with a presumption of no,
00:52:22.800 there shouldn't be so many trans kids. There can't be. what we're seeing can't be a real thing. And since it can't be a
00:52:29.200 real thing, something must have triggered it in the youth. It must have a place of origin. It must be a sort of
00:52:37.839 contagion. As I talked about before, a trans person usually needs to go through the medical
00:52:43.520 system to get medical treatment. And as I said, that has in almost all
00:52:48.559 circumstances throughout recent history been dependent on getting properly diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
00:52:55.839 All diagnosis of gender dysphoria since the 80s have been one of these two categories. Gender dysphoria in
00:53:01.680 adulthood and gender dysphoria in childhood. The explicit goal of Lisa Litman's study was to create a new third
00:53:09.040 category, that of rapid onset of gender dysphoria. Rapid onset gender dysphoria seems to be
00:53:15.680 a new subtype. This would allow researchers to have a tangible way to
00:53:20.960 differentiate between real dysphoria and fake social media/attention/coping
00:53:28.000 dysphoria. Let's see how this totally random guy
00:53:34.720 Michael, what's his name? Bailey, frames it. A young adult woman who in therapy came
00:53:42.640 to believe that her father molested her terribly over years. broke off contact
00:53:47.920 with the family. Which is worse, that or having your daughter say she wants testosterone
00:53:54.559 because she's trans? We shouldn't have to choose. Both this
00:53:59.599 epidemic and the ROG epidemic represents the worst, most irresponsible,
00:54:06.880 unforgivably irresponsible conduct of the mental health profession.
00:54:15.200 Okay, that was taken a little out of context. Bailey is comparing rapid onset gender dysphoria and the rise in
00:54:21.200 referrals with forced memory syndrome, a moral panic from the '9s where some
00:54:26.480 psychotherapists made their clients believe that they had been victims of childhood sexual assault. Anyways,
00:54:32.880 that's not what's important. What is important is the framing that it isn't
00:54:38.400 real. that these people who are referred to gender clinics are in fact not transgender at all but cisgender
00:54:45.760 children who have been duped into believing they are trans. I believe ROD
00:54:52.160 to be the single most influential recent theory on transgender people. Why? Well,
00:54:58.640 I've read tens of thousands of pages on trans research, and inevitably you end
00:55:04.319 up noticing some patterns, theories, treatments, authors, and activists. But
00:55:10.079 one particular pattern stood out. There was a very noticeable shift in 2017,
00:55:15.760 like with Helen Joyce, for example, or even Hannah Barnes. Somewhere along the way, somebody must
00:55:20.880 have emailed you and said, "Have you have you have you heard about what's going on in JIS at the Tavveristo?"
00:55:26.559 No, it wasn't that. I think I first came across it at all in 2017 and there was
00:55:31.920 really not very much around at all and this is right around when Litman's paper on rapid answer on gender
00:55:37.359 dysphoria was published. I don't think it's the only factor but I think it was
00:55:43.839 part of the perfect storm. In 2016 the most prominent researcher on trans
00:55:49.119 people was fired. There was a BBC doc television documentary about what was
00:55:54.319 going on in Canada and and Ken Zucker, who I know you've had on the show about what was going on with his clinic and um
00:56:00.240 or what had happened. The theory of rood ushered in a new era of narratives. No longer was it a
00:56:06.799 up kid here and there, but a threat to children in general. Okay. So this graph, yep, you can see a
00:56:16.880 remarkable upturn that
00:56:22.799 is an epidemic. But the theory of rapid onset gender dysphoria was rotten to its core before
00:56:30.240 it was even published. And I think Hannah Barnes knows this. That's why she
00:56:36.559 doesn't mention the theory in her book at all. So let's take a look at Lisa Litman's
00:56:43.520 parent reports of adolescence and young adults perceived to show signs of rapid onto gender dysphoria. There are at
00:56:50.079 least four problems with the study. Priming proxy bias and pathology.
00:56:57.839 Before 2016, very few people talked about the rise in trans people and
00:57:02.880 practically no one thought that it had something to do with a social contagion. Litman study even mentions as much. So
00:57:10.480 the one thing you absolutely for any reason would not want to do was to plant
00:57:15.839 the idea of cause and effect. You were being asked to take part in a
00:57:21.760 research study if you have a child who when they were between the ages of 10 and 21 developed a sudden or rapid onset
00:57:28.799 of gender dysphoria. This may have occurred in the context of either increased social media/ internet use
00:57:35.359 and/or belonging to a friend group in which one or multiple friends have developed gender dysphoria and come out
00:57:41.599 as transgender during a similar time frame. Look, I dropped out after three
00:57:46.880 semesters in business and even I know that this is the biggest do not do
00:57:52.160 please. It's the 101 of biased research. This was planting the idea that our odd
00:57:58.559 is real. Let me reframe it to a different example. You are being asked to take
00:58:05.040 part in a research study if you have a child who when they were between the ages of 1 and four developed autism.
00:58:13.119 This may have occurred following the administration of an MMR vaccine. When you add the last part, you implicitly
00:58:19.680 infer that there is a relation between vaccines and autism.
00:58:24.880 That's going out of your way to create the connection. So when Litman asks, "How many of your
00:58:32.640 children have experienced a sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria which began after puberty,
00:58:39.520 she has primed the parents to think that gender dysphoria can be rapid and is
00:58:46.400 caused by social media or friend groups." So no, she never asked the
00:58:52.319 children. Instead, she asked the parents, which well was a bad idea. Not
00:58:59.040 only does she rely on the parents to diagnose their kids with gender dysphoria and a hitherto non-existing
00:59:06.640 form of rapid answer on gender dysphoria at that, she also relies on the parents
00:59:12.240 to decide when this gender dysphoria manifested in their child. And look,
00:59:17.839 parents, I I'm sure you want the best for your child, but you have no idea what's going on in their little heads.
00:59:23.599 You aren't a mind readader. And being in trans usually involves
00:59:29.359 coming out to the people around you. A person might feel something for years before they can admit their feelings to
00:59:35.599 themselves. And then it's going to take more time for them to say it to anyone
00:59:41.280 because what if they're wrong about what they're feeling? Senior Jones from gender analysis explains four separate
00:59:48.000 studies of around 1,200 trans children and adolesccents. In all four studies, the child felt different, but it took
00:59:55.359 them 3 years to see themselves as trans. When they felt trans, it still took a
01:00:01.599 couple of years before coming out and yet another couple of years to live in their identity and gender. It's not an
01:00:10.000 overnight thing. If they weren't trans, they likely wouldn't go through the years and years of waiting to get
01:00:15.599 treatment. So, it's not that their children aren't trans. They're just not telling their parents right away. And
01:00:22.400 then it's a simple boolean. They aren't trans in the eyes of the parents until they have told them. Of course, it seems
01:00:29.280 rabid then. Some children actually have very good reasons not to trust their parents, but we'll get to that later. I
01:00:37.200 hope that most parents want their kids to trust them. Look, some children are afraid of talking with their parents
01:00:44.240 because they are afraid that the parents won't believe them. Many such cases actually. Oh, and would
01:00:52.240 you look at that? Out of all the parents from Litman's study, only 2.5% believed
01:00:58.319 their child when they said they were trans. That seems extraordinarily low, huh?
01:01:06.540 [Music] This might have something to do with the people who answered the questionnaire.
01:01:12.240 You see, Lisa Litman decided to recruit from three websites and one private
01:01:17.359 Facebook group. Particularly the websites are interesting. Fourth wave
01:01:22.559 now, transgender trend and youth transcritical professionals. Really rolls off the tongue. Well, those three
01:01:29.599 websites are all deeply critical of trans people. Fourth wave now supports conversion therapy for trans kids. We
01:01:37.040 oppose any form of therapy that seeks to change a child's sexual orientation.
01:01:42.799 However, we are deeply concerned about the impact of recent so-called conversion therapy legislation
01:01:49.359 forbidding careful nuance treatment of children and young people with gender dysphoria. Transgender trend and its
01:01:56.960 founder Stephanie Davis Ara apparently don't believe in trans kids as we we don't have any evidence that children
01:02:04.000 really are trans. This is a very new phenomenon which is based on no credible
01:02:09.200 scientific research. Anyways, the last website youth
01:02:14.960 transcritical professionals is it's closed down. Too bad. I I could
01:02:21.040 have talked about how its founder, Lisa Machano, most likely invented the whole social contagion thing and maybe even
01:02:28.160 helped Litman write the theory. Or how Lisa Machano shared stories comparing
01:02:33.280 trans support groups to ISIS. Or this one that compares being trans to a fetish. or this dransition story from
01:02:41.040 someone named Jamie Shupe who conflates autism and gender and says transitioning
01:02:46.640 is like the emperor's new clothes. Of course, Litman flings these
01:02:51.760 accusations of oh soal transphobia to the side. If they hate trans people so much, why do 88% of them believe that
01:02:59.200 trans people deserve the same rights as other people? I they would march with you if you were discriminated against.
01:03:05.760 Please. But like, let's be honest, just because they accept that some people are trans, it doesn't mean that they would
01:03:11.119 accept their own child being trans. Once again, I'll refer to Senior Jones and Heather McNamara. We also need to look
01:03:18.240 at what else the general population believes about trans people. And that's not such a rosy picture, which I mean,
01:03:25.520 look around or even better, just watch this video. The ROGD study is subject to
01:03:30.799 selection bias, proxy bias, recall bias, and leading and loading question bias.
01:03:36.240 Yes, it's that bad. Okay, I hear you say, "But that one pilot study might be
01:03:42.640 bad, but aren't there any other good studies on ROG?"
01:03:48.319 No, there aren't. The largest and most recent study on ROG recruited from
01:03:53.920 parents of rood kids.com, which
01:03:59.200 also uh it's retracted. Rapid onset gender dysphoria has been rejected as a theory by the American
01:04:05.599 Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and 60 other medical associations. But there's
01:04:12.319 something more fundamentally wrong with the ROG narrative. And that has to do with the whole contagion thing that
01:04:20.079 being trans is a pathology or a harmful idea that can be contracted if you hang
01:04:25.200 around the wrong sorts of people, which is not. Did you know that almost
01:04:32.480 no people were left-handed 100 years ago? Even though people are born as left
01:04:37.599 or right dominant or ambidextrous, the backward society of yesterday year punished people for writing with the
01:04:43.839 wrong hand. Thereby, the lefties laid dormant until we found out, hey, this is
01:04:49.200 really dumb. Maybe we should be okay with being left-handed. And then suddenly, like a miracle, more
01:04:55.359 left-handed people emerged. Chapter 6. autism.
01:05:00.000 No text
01:05:00.880 Many of them were same-sex attracted. The same was true for the boys attending kids and many were autistic. Their lives
01:05:08.160 were complicated too. This is the second claim I'll be looking at from B's book. Time to think. Just like our odd, this
01:05:15.760 is one of those themes that plays a large role. The words autism or autistic is mentioned more than 30 times
01:05:22.079 throughout her book. The argument is essentially that autism somehow maybe
01:05:28.799 causes people to be trans. Most of the cases with the parents who have contacted me, their children have
01:05:34.640 been diagnosed with high functioning autism or asperers. A few of them, however, it's kind of going the opposite way. They're saying my child was never
01:05:41.039 diagnosed with that. But now that they are coming out with rood, now I want
01:05:46.160 them to be assessed to see whether they may have actually had autism, and that's why they're doing it. It's kind of It's weird how it's morphing in that way.
01:05:52.079 First, let me ask, so what? So what if some of these
01:05:58.240 children are autistic? What would that entail exactly? And this might surprise
01:06:03.520 you, but I think there's a very good chance that some of these children are autistic. In a little bit, I'm going to
01:06:09.200 show you several papers in favor of the hypothesis of the interplay of autism
01:06:14.319 and gender dysphoria. But let me show you another explanation first. The
01:06:20.079 psychiatrist Jack Turpin has noticed how basically all studies on the intersection of gender dysphoria and
01:06:26.640 autism don't actually measure autism diagnosis, but instead they measure autistic traits. So he proposes that
01:06:34.799 what can look like autism, social impairment for example, is not caused by autism, but instead by stress and
01:06:40.559 anxiety. He argues that these children are not autistic but only show symptoms
01:06:45.839 resembling autism which researchers then have mistaken for correlation.
01:06:52.079 Okay. The argument for the intersection of autism and gender dysphoria goes
01:06:57.359 something like the following. More and more people are getting diagnosed with autism. Whereas we once thought it was 1
01:07:04.640 in 150 people who were autistic, modern estimates land at around 1 in 36. So
01:07:11.599 around 3%. I will not elaborate on this.
01:07:17.280 But what about trans people? In a meta study of 641,000 participants, 24 of the gender variant
01:07:25.119 respondents showed clinical levels of autistic traits compared to 5% of the cisgender group. So both of these groups
01:07:32.960 are over the global estimate and on the surface this seems extraordinary
01:07:38.319 but yeah you should take it with a grain of salt. Okay depending on the recruitment methods and what autistic
01:07:45.200 criteria researchers look for the levels of autism in trans and gender diverse people can vary greatly from 4.8% to
01:07:53.200 26%. But even if we say that 26% of all trans people are autistic, it still doesn't
01:07:59.520 explain the remaining 74% who aren't autistic. No, wait. It It actually doesn't even
01:08:07.359 explain the 26% because we can't just equate autism with gender dysphoria. It's not like all autistic people are
01:08:13.039 gender variant. So, what actually is their argument? How would autism make a person trans?
01:08:19.040 Well, I've been lying a little bit because their argument isn't that autism makes you trans. only that it makes you
01:08:25.198 gender dysphoric. As noted earlier, one idea is that ASD sometimes leads to
01:08:31.439 intense interests in cross- sex objects or activities, giving rise to a clinical
01:08:36.880 presentation of GD. This particular psychology, what's his name? Zuka
01:08:42.479 implies that autistic people just get superficial obsessions like you know how hores get special interests and collects
01:08:49.279 Pokémon or pictures of Randy from South Park or weep stuff and that's all really cool but maybe hm maybe maybe their
01:08:57.520 special interests are women so they want to become women. Melissa Mitchen is also
01:09:03.439 an expert from time to think. She's a psychotherapist who's worked with different parts of the Talisto clinic
01:09:10.479 and uh coincidentally she shared an office with Anna Hutchinson the psychologist from the intro of this
01:09:17.120 video and from the start of the book. Anyways, Mitchen and Hutchinson also has
01:09:23.439 some theories on autism. We have also witnessed a coincidence of autistic
01:09:28.560 spectrum conditions and gendered/sex distress. The lens of gender can seem very apt for these girls retrospectively
01:09:35.359 to understand the difficulties. They realize their nent sexual desire is going to be problematic. They struggle
01:09:41.359 in puberty because it is uncomfortable, weird, and unpredictable, particularly heightened if they happen to be on the
01:09:47.679 autistic spectrum. Okay. All right. I feel like there's this underlying
01:09:52.799 misogyny from a lot of these women's rights activists. Like, oh, these are just little girls. They don't know
01:09:58.719 what's best for them. It's something that permeates much of the discourse on trans boys, but I don't
01:10:05.280 actually have time to go into it. Also, I don't really feel like it's my place to speak. But this one, this one's
01:10:12.159 really bad. That's really, really bad. But the argument isn't about autistic trans
01:10:18.159 people because they don't actually believe that trans people exist. Listen to what Melissa Mitchin has to say. My
01:10:24.800 take-home message is not any dispute about the existence of gender dysphoria as a set of symptoms and attendant
01:10:31.360 experience, but rather the conflation of GD with transgender. It's never about
01:10:36.719 helping autistic people or trans people. No, it's just another way to not take these children seriously, to erase their
01:10:44.320 needs and voices. It's also such an infantilizing way of thinking about autistic people. Oh,
01:10:50.800 these little artists don't even know what they're doing. They don't have free will. Their feelings are hard and they
01:10:55.920 are vulnerable. So, we should make sure that they don't make these decisions
01:11:00.960 themselves. They can't listen. The intersection of gender dysphoria and autism is one where suicidality is even
01:11:08.159 more prevalent. And so is not being listened to. The presence of autism just
01:11:13.679 gives these researchers like Melissa Miden and Anna Hutchinson an excuse to not believe what these children are
01:11:20.480 telling them. We need to take these children seriously but not literally.
01:11:26.159 Autistic people are rarely listened to sometimes because we are totally incompetent at explaining what we feel
01:11:33.120 and that feels bad. Some participants described concerns
01:11:38.400 that the affirmed gender had been questioned due to their autism diagnosis. They viewed it as an
01:11:44.320 obsession, but it's really not the same thing. And I don't know why they thought that. I don't want to linger on this
01:11:50.800 point too long. It's just that infantilizing autistic people is like really last decade. We aren't just
01:11:57.440 exposed to Rainman as the only representation in this day and age. Yes,
01:12:03.440 I do think that some of these children are autistic, but I don't think this is anything new. It's kind of cringe to go
01:12:10.560 around and do postlude psychiatric evaluations on people, especially when
01:12:15.679 you have no business doing it. But allow me to be hypocritical for a second, okay? If you go back and read some of
01:12:21.760 the case studies from the 70s and 80s and '9s, it's not as if none of them have an autistic aura.
01:12:28.960 Some of them are definitely giving autism All right, there aren't any theories
01:12:34.159 that fully explain why there is this core occurrence of GD and ASD. None really. But yes, a fraction of
01:12:41.199 trans people might be autistic. But honestly, so what? Autism is never
01:12:46.480 brought up in these debates to be more empathetic. Is only brought as a reason to not take people seriously. Maybe
01:12:54.960 we should take them even more seriously since this is the only chapter where I can call myself an expert. I am autistic
01:13:02.880 after all. Have you noticed? Let me just vibe for a sec and throw my own theory into the mix. Okay. Autistic people can
01:13:09.440 have a hard time understanding the underlying structures of society. where
01:13:14.480 things might come naturally to a neurotypical person. An autistic person
01:13:19.760 first need to understand that something is and then why it is and then use it.
01:13:27.199 And gender is complicated. Come on, that's what this whole video is about. So the hierarchical normative social
01:13:34.159 structure of gender is observed and replicated in society but autist might
01:13:39.440 experience it not as a given but as an confrontation and ask why not why don't
01:13:46.719 I fit but why should I and that's why there are two wolves inside autistic people you either see through the
01:13:52.320 and understand that gender is malleable and often times nonsensical and if that's the case why should you
01:13:58.320 hold yourself to a non-functioning fabric licated standard or you find a simple quas high coherent
01:14:05.600 narrative from conservatives chapter 7 complexity
01:14:08.000 No text
01:14:12.480 what binds these people like Hannah Barnes Senna Hutchinson Melissa Mitchen Christian Whistle Helen Joyce Peter
01:14:17.760 Posian Jennifer Bleck and Lisa Litman together is not scientific rigor I mean
01:14:25.840 obviously it's transphobia There, I said it. I said the magic word.
01:14:31.920 Now the title finally makes sense. But it's not the kind where you hate trans people. I don't really think these
01:14:38.320 people do. Okay, maybe Hillen Joyce does, but the other ones, even the Nazi, I don't think they hate trans people. I
01:14:45.360 just think that they think that trans people don't really exist. I mean, I don't believe there's any
01:14:51.520 actual instance of trans. I don't believe it's that kind of thing. It's a culturebound syndrome. You think the whole thing is a No, not
01:14:58.320 the increas I I I believe the whole thing is a culture ban syndrome. Oh my god. Really?
01:15:03.440 Yeah. Yeah. Completely. Completely. Because there What does it mean to say that a man can really be a woman in
01:15:08.640 Sam? So you don't believe that there's anybody like Buck Angel or any of these people who literally have something in
01:15:14.480 their brain? Absolutely not. or maybe that one in like 10,000 is trans, but 99% of people
01:15:21.199 who say they're trans are trying to deceive not only society, but also themselves.
01:15:27.760 Honestly, this is rarely any better than hating trans people. So, this is the one chapter where I will not be debunking
01:15:34.400 whatever Hannah Barnes wrote in her book. I'm not going to cover these
01:15:39.440 children's trauma. Sure, whatever. They might have complex
01:15:44.880 backgrounds, but I don't really care. Using trauma as an argument for why these children might not be trans is, I
01:15:51.600 think, kind of disgusting. And my arguments against it would be the same as for autism. So what?
01:15:59.520 If you still want an answer, a quick one. Gender dysphoria is not caused by trauma. Asterisks. Gender itself might
01:16:07.040 be caused by trauma. Oh, climbing the mountain is an allegory
01:16:14.000 for gender. Anyways, that's a discussion for another time and for people smarter than me. But if you want to know more,
01:16:20.239 you should probably read um gender without identity. So instead, I want to
01:16:25.600 look at what happens when you don't believe that trans people exist. And this is the narrative that binds these
01:16:31.120 people together. That men are men and women are women. So simple. Okay. But
01:16:36.880 what does it actually entail that men are men and women are women? How can you then explain
01:16:42.960 trans people? And the answer to this is much more complex than just accepting
01:16:48.159 that trans people exist. To do this, I think we need a very, very short
01:16:53.920 explanation of where trans comes from. In the Western world, the trans condition can seem like a very new
01:16:59.920 thing. What's called transgender today was until pretty recently known as transsexual. And the word transsexual
01:17:07.600 was only introduced to the English language in the early 1950s.
01:17:13.120 Transsexual was made as a distinction to transvestite. It became apparent to Harry Benjamin in the 1950s, one of the
01:17:20.400 people who coined the term transsexual, the transsexual phenomenon, how some of these men didn't just dress as women.
01:17:28.719 No, they felt like women. They were in all but physical appearance and sometimes also even in physical
01:17:34.960 appearance women. What defined them as men was not themselves but their
01:17:40.080 surroundings. This is in contrast to transvestite which Benjamin described as being
01:17:46.320 primarily interested in the aesthetics of the opposite sex but not actually
01:17:51.360 belonging to the opposite sex. The term transvestite was only coined in 1910 by
01:17:56.640 Magnosfeld, one of the first and also most important sexologists. He dedicated
01:18:03.040 a whole book to crossdressing.
01:18:11.040 In English, that's transvesticism, the act of erotic crossdressing. Maybe the
01:18:16.880 distinction between transvestite and transsexual was also made simply because operations became a possibility. Some of
01:18:24.560 the people from Hishfel's book were only labeled transvestites. I think because transsexual or third gender or whatever
01:18:32.159 wasn't part of the vocabulary. They know all too well that a profound
01:18:37.840 contradiction exists between their bodies and their souls. Therefore, one
01:18:43.040 can understand all too well that most of them wish they had been born female.
01:18:49.360 It's not like this hadn't ever been documented before, even by earlier sexologists. I haven't seen anyone
01:18:56.159 mention this, but since I took the time to read through several 100-year-old
01:19:02.320 books on sexology, you are going to hear it now. A German fron ebing in
01:19:08.320 sucopathia sexualis from 1886 also describes a cover of a people who now go
01:19:14.239 under the term transgender. He just calls it transmutio sexus. The English sexologist Havlis
01:19:22.480 used some other cool terms sexesthetic inversion or eonism in studies in the
01:19:28.719 psychology of sex volume 2 from 1915. trans people have always existed.
01:19:35.280 Anyways, what's important is the very framing we can observe in the history of sexology. In essence, the history of
01:19:42.480 sexology is about the dividing the abnormal from the normal, the natural from the unnatural, the perverse from
01:19:49.520 the pure. In Hinrich Khan's Sikopathia Sexualis from 1844, noted as the very
01:19:55.600 first academic book on sexology, we can see this illustrated perfectly. On one side there's kois and on the other side
01:20:02.640 it's everything else. Things that are still seen as heinous today and for good reason. Beiality, necrophilia, pedesty,
01:20:09.600 but also also more normal things such as h onism and fruing and scissoring which
01:20:16.159 Khn labels lesbian love. In all things perverse, Khan of course couples to
01:20:21.760 inferior races, the opposite of the pure white breed. Khan was a super racist.
01:20:30.159 I'd love to tell you that research has evolved beyond good and evil, but then I wouldn't be talking about it now, would
01:20:36.560 I? There's a fascinating part of your book where you talk about a condition called
01:20:41.600 I think it's pronounced autogenia. Autotogyophilia. Gyophilia.
01:20:47.920 I mean the best estimate of the number of men who are erotic crossdressers is about 3%.
01:20:53.600 Um so some share of those men, it's not just about the clothes for them, it's about the whole idea of being a woman.
01:20:58.640 That's what's erotic. They imagine being a woman when they're making love. They imagine being a woman, you know, turns them on to just do anything that is
01:21:05.440 coded female. [Music] Autogginophilia is how some people
01:21:11.600 explain away what they can see with their own eyes. That trans people exist and with that transjoy exists as well.
01:21:18.640 But they see trans not as a natural neutral state of being but regresses it
01:21:23.679 back in history as a continuation of transvesticism just taken to the nth degree. They skew Harry Benjamin's
01:21:30.800 argument and erases transsexuals or transgenders. Instead, autogophiles are men who get off on not just dressing as
01:21:37.679 women but actually being women. Autogginaphiles they argue are men deviant perverts who like being women
01:21:44.960 and who like dating women. Ooh. Now, there are a couple of problems with this idea. First of all, there's absolutely
01:21:52.880 no scientific basis to it. Cisgender women get often themselves just as much
01:21:58.480 as trans women do. Two, they strictly value the purity of femininity of trans
01:22:03.679 women who date men. They call these people homosexual transsexuals over the queer femininity of trans women who date
01:22:10.480 women. So, a pure or perverse dichotomy within the trans condition. any
01:22:17.199 trans woman who is not exclusively attracted
01:22:22.800 to men and who has not been um very feminine from early childhood
01:22:31.840 which is kind of the stereotype. Any trans woman who's not like that is
01:22:37.199 motivated by autoophilia. The book that popularized the theory was
01:22:42.639 written like a bad W what pad story. The researchers actively drool over hot
01:22:48.960 women in this book. I start upstairs to get the panoramic view and I see Kim for
01:22:54.480 the first time on the stairs dancing, posing. She is spectacular, exotic and
01:23:02.719 sexy. Her body is incredibly curvaceous, which is a clue that it may not be
01:23:08.639 natural, and I notice a very subtle and not unattractive angularity of the face,
01:23:14.159 which is also not clearly diagnostic on this tall siren. It is difficult to
01:23:19.199 avoid viewing Kim from two perspectives. As a researcher, but also as a single
01:23:25.520 heterosexual man. Afterwards, my avowedly heterosexual
01:23:33.040 male research assistant told me that he would gladly have had sex with her, even
01:23:39.520 knowing Kim still possessed a penis. And these people don't take men's focus
01:23:45.360 on and balls into account at all or penis theory or penis envy or anything.
01:23:50.719 And of course, it doesn't account for the rise in teenage girls. But that's why the theory also needs ROG to work to
01:23:58.320 balance the deviant men with the pure innocent girls.
01:24:03.760 Seriously, there's nothing good or right about the story of autogenifilia only that it fits into the narrative of the
01:24:10.080 dichotomy of pure or perverse of woman or man. So that would be my evolutionary
01:24:16.560 psychology explanation. We have heterosexuality and we have everything else. And among the everything else, we
01:24:23.120 have those things that are not harmful and those things that are. This is Ray Blanchard, the inventor of
01:24:29.760 the theory of autogophilia, but he's just a researcher. The one who popularized autographia is Michael
01:24:36.400 Bailey. It was his horny writings I showed you before. He did it through his book, The Man Who Would Be Queen.
01:24:42.880 Anybody who is sufficiently interested uh can Google the man who would be
01:24:49.280 queen. And I want to give you another little excerpt which I think will make all this rambling make a lot more sense.
01:24:55.120 When Bailey wrote the book in 2003, transgender was still called transsexualism and it was labeled as a
01:25:01.920 mental disorder. And this is wrong. Not only is this whole video about trans
01:25:08.159 people literally just being normal people, but we know for a fact it's wrong. 10 years later in 2013, a new
01:25:15.520 version of the diagnostic manual, kind of the dictionary of psychiatry, was released. With that, transsexualism was
01:25:22.639 relabeled to transgender and gender identity disorder became gender dysphoria. And then it was no longer
01:25:29.280 recognized as a mental disorder. In 2003, none of this had happened yet, of course. But in his book, Bailey
01:25:35.440 described how some people, the anti-gender identity disorder folk, didn't think that being trans was a
01:25:41.520 disorder. No, they argued being trans was not wrong. It was just society who had deemed it so and society, not trans
01:25:49.679 people, society was mistaken. Bailey saw this as ideological
01:25:55.040 grandstanding. He wrote, "Who can really hope to change society?" Bailey doesn't
01:26:00.560 really believe that he holds the power to change society. Society to him is sort of calcified.
01:26:06.719 What there is is probably there for a reason, and that reason is probably a good one.
01:26:12.080 How are we to know anyways? But I argue, Bailey, you are more wrong that you can
01:26:17.840 possibly comprehend. Not only did the anti-gender identity disorder vote actually managed to change the
01:26:23.600 definition, but so did Bailey. And as I've shown, the very field of sexology,
01:26:28.960 what is deemed right and wrong, the history and evolution of understanding of trans people, the very words
01:26:34.719 themselves have not only been changed, but have been invented during the past 200 years.
01:26:41.679 We absolutely can change the course of history. We can change society. We can create a better world. Isn't that the
01:26:48.880 point? Isn't the point to change society? But within those words, who can really hope to change society lies also
01:26:56.000 an admission? Billy hasn't thought about changing it. Why should he? He's
01:27:01.600 perfectly content. It's nice when things make sense. It's nice when they're opposite neat categories. But it's
01:27:08.480 wrong. Every point I go through shows it to be wrong. There's no scientific argument that shows that trans people do
01:27:14.960 not exist. And there is no moral argument either. Only a reliance on a
01:27:20.239 system of good and evil with roots in religious fundamentalism and vulgar
01:27:26.400 really vulgar racism. A system of pure or perverse, of pathological or natural.
01:27:33.280 All things we ascribe meaning to. All things we created. All things we can change.
01:27:39.440 What ties the people like Anna Hutchinson and Hannah Barnes and Melissa Mitchen and Kirsty End whistle, Helen Joyce, Jennifer Ble, Peter Bosian, Lisa
01:27:46.719 Litman, Ray Blanchard, and Michael Bailey together is transphobia. But let me turn it on its head. A transphobia is
01:27:54.080 just a symptom of a sickness. A belief in man-made systems held up by time and
01:27:59.440 society. An unwillingness to accept that not only are they wrong about trans people, they are wrong about the world.
01:28:05.199 Because there is no good and evil. the world is only what we make it. Of course, it doesn't matter to them if I
01:28:10.320 debunk every single claim made about trans people because their belief is not rooted in science or truth or even
01:28:15.760 reality. They think that any child who grows up to be trans is someone they couldn't save. And when it comes to
01:28:22.719 saving children, anything goes. Chapter 8. Puberty bloggers.
01:28:27.000 No text
01:28:30.239 In 2019, a legal complaint was filed against the Tavisto clinic to protect vulnerable children from radical
01:28:37.199 experimental medical treatment. A case to protect them from puberty blockers.
01:28:43.120 This is where we meet Susan Evans. She was one another one of those
01:28:50.719 sure experts from time to think. You see Susan Evans worked as a nurse from the Tavveris for 4 years from 2003 to 2007.
01:28:59.440 Surely that must have been very very hard for her. In 2019, 12 years after
01:29:05.520 she quit her job at Tavveristock, Susan Evans sets up a fundraiser to essentially force the Tavistock clinic
01:29:11.280 to stop whatever they were up to. She wanted them to stop administering puberty blockers.
01:29:16.480 Evans initiated judicial review proceedings against JIDS, arguing under 18s cannot give informed consent to
01:29:23.520 puberty blockers when not enough is known about what they do. And this came to be one of the most important legal
01:29:31.120 cases against trans healthcare. Susan features an anonymous mother, Mrs. A, to
01:29:36.960 help her fundraiser. Mrs. A represented a group of parents, but she specifically
01:29:42.239 had concerns about her autistic daughter who was referred to the Tavto. We want the best for our children, but we need
01:29:49.520 this to be from a position of evidence-based, not experimental medicine. Please support me in this case
01:29:56.480 to prevent further harm being caused from this unproven experimental treatment. It seems that's also what
01:30:03.760 Susan Evans wants. A treatment based on evidence. I mean, she links to Society
01:30:09.760 for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine on her website. That seems
01:30:16.480 seems fair. Now, even though it took Susan more than a decade to finally stand up to what she frames like child
01:30:23.040 torture, I don't think it was just because she has a pure patient heart.
01:30:28.080 For one, Susan has a husband named Marcus Evans.
01:30:34.159 I'm Marcus Evans. I'm a psychoanalyst. I worked in the NHS for 40 years.
01:30:40.159 Originally I trained as a psychiatric nurse and then for the last 20 years in
01:30:45.280 the health service I was head of the nursing discipline at the Tavistock clinic. I then went on to become the
01:30:52.960 governor which is a voluntary position on the board of governors of the Tavistock clinic. Marcus Evans is a psychoanalyst and
01:30:59.920 worked with the Tavistock both before and after Susan quit. So Marcus continued a close relationship with
01:31:07.520 child experimenters for a decade. Then in 2019 Marcus was
01:31:12.560 appointed to the position of governor at the Tavistock and 3 months later he
01:31:17.600 quit. He says that he quit because of a concerns from a mother who represented a group of parents. Where have I heard
01:31:25.120 that one before? And a report on the gender clinic from David Bell, another governor. David Bell's report questions
01:31:32.639 whether the clinic should do more to consider young people's personal histories, notably by examining whether
01:31:38.400 they are on the autistic spectrum, have experienced trauma, or are being influenced by social pressures before
01:31:45.280 helping them on the path to transition. David Bell, of course, has never worked
01:31:51.199 with trans children. We shouldn't use the term transgender or transgenderism when it comes to young people because by
01:31:58.880 doing so you you behaving as if you know what you're talking about as if there is
01:32:05.440 an object called transgender which has is a diag it's not a diagnosis it's a
01:32:10.800 symptom. Would it surprise you if I said that David Bill was also one of those experts from Barnes book? They all
01:32:17.679 repeat the same talking points. But anyways, back to the fundraiser and legal case. Now, since Mrs. A or her
01:32:25.120 child never actually stepped foot in Tavveristock, Susan needed someone with more oomph. And with almost 100,000
01:32:33.360 raised from the crowdfunding effort, it allowed Susan Evans to hire a team of lawyers and get in contact with someone
01:32:40.159 who was willing to put a face to the legal claim. I should have been given
01:32:45.600 intensive therapy basically to investigate the feelings that I was having to try and you know figure out
01:32:52.239 how I got to that stage. 8 years on she wants to transition back to being a woman and is suing the NHS.
01:32:58.960 Her lawyers will argue children cannot give informed consent to treatment delaying puberty or helping them to
01:33:05.440 transition. Kiraabel is what's called a dransitioner or retransitioner.
01:33:12.400 You see, Kira was born a girl, but even in early childhood, she was one of the boys. Then puberty hit. She developed
01:33:21.199 hips and breasts, which she hated. She lost her male friends. Kira became depressed, isolated, and suicidal. She
01:33:29.199 hated that she was turning into a woman. Belle wanted to be a boy, a a man, and
01:33:37.360 then she was presented with that possibility. Kira kept insisting that she wanted to be a boy. So when she was
01:33:43.920 15, her psychologist referred her to the Tavveristo and Kiraabel kept being
01:33:49.280 adamant she was a boy. A year later at
01:33:54.480 the age of 16, she was administered puberty blockers. A year after that, she was put on gender affirming hormones. 5
01:34:00.480 years after her initial referral, Belle had her breast removed. But Kira wasn't
01:34:06.000 Kira any longer. In her place stood Quincy and then she dransitioned.
01:34:14.400 The further my transition went, the more I realized that I wasn't a man and never would be. Okay, any speculation would be
01:34:22.719 really really dumb of me. I do think maybe she should have used different
01:34:27.840 before the transition after the transition picture in her article. Maybe. What makes me a man? I remembered
01:34:35.600 my idea as a 14-year-old that hormones and surgery would turn me into someone who appeared to be a man. Now I was that
01:34:43.199 person, but I recognized that I was very physically different from men. Living as a trans man helped me acknowledge that I
01:34:50.400 was still a woman. [Music] All right, I'm not saying Kira Bell is
01:34:55.760 lying. If you listen closely, Belle never outright says that she doesn't want to be a man, just that she never thinks she
01:35:03.120 never could be or would be a man. She never says she regrets her initial
01:35:09.199 transition. And I accept her as a woman, just like I would accept her as a man.
01:35:15.040 So if she ever was the perfect face to oppose puberty bloggers and as soon as Girabel joined the legal case, she got
01:35:21.600 in touch with some very powerful people who were eager to help her. It's very interesting because I'm going
01:35:27.600 to talk a lot about science and medicine and best medical practice, you know, academic topics, but I'm required by my
01:35:33.360 university to make this disclaimer that I I I'm disavowing my affiliation with my university um because of the the
01:35:40.480 politics involved here. One of those powerful people was Paul Cruz, who served as expert witness. He's
01:35:48.239 closely affiliated with Alliance Defending Freedom and other far-right organizations who have worked to
01:35:53.600 undermine same-sex marriage and try to enforce sterilization as a requirement
01:35:59.120 for transitioning. When Fruce was told how limiting access to gender affirming care might result in more children dying
01:36:04.639 to suicide, Fruce simply answered, "Some children are born in this world to
01:36:11.360 suffer and die." Paul, of course, isn't an expert. Paul has never treated
01:36:17.199 anyone, child or adult, for gender dysphoria. His own university denounced him, stating,
01:36:22.639 "He is not a psychiatrist, a psychologist, nor a mental health care provider of any kind who could speak
01:36:29.760 knowledgeably of transgender health. He still did wonders in the trial."
01:36:35.440 Another person Belell got in contact with was Stephanie Davis Ara. Here sat
01:36:41.440 next to Stephanie Davis Arai who was an intervenor in the case. We held hands
01:36:47.199 tightly. Davis Ara recalls Stephanie Davis Arai is part of Time to Think.
01:36:54.000 Stephanie is also the founder of Transgender Trend. That's one of the websites Lisa Litman used to recruit for
01:37:00.239 her rapid onset gender dysphoria study. Transgender is an ideological label.
01:37:05.600 It's not a clinical term. It's distinct from the clinical diagnosis of gender
01:37:10.800 dysphoria. To call a child transgender is to make both a claim that the child's
01:37:16.480 feelings represent material reality and an assumption about that child's future.
01:37:22.880 They will not change. Essentially, anyone with an interest in blocking care for trans people was
01:37:29.360 welcomed. And this is going to be a theme moving forwards
01:37:35.199 even if they are religious fundamentalists or frauds or even just
01:37:40.239 only financially invested. But like let's look at the facts here. Kiraabel went through the system and it worked
01:37:47.040 the way it was designed. She had to wait years to get hormone treatment and she was a fully grown adult when she made
01:37:53.600 the decision to get breast reduction surgery. In March of 2024, puberty blockers for
01:38:00.239 adolescence in the United Kingdom were blocked. Bill's case is not the sole
01:38:05.920 reason, but it was one of the first steps. This judgment is not political. It's
01:38:11.760 about the protection of vulnerable children. Please read it carefully. Anyways, what is the deal with puberty
01:38:17.840 blockers? Let's first describe what puberty blockers actually do. Before puberty, there's very little actual
01:38:23.920 differences between boys and girls. That's part of why Kiraabel could be accepted as one of the boys when she was
01:38:30.560 a child. It's the onset of puberty that triggers secondary sex characteristics
01:38:36.080 to evolve. Puberty blockers are painfully literal.
01:38:41.360 They simply act as a way to pause a person's production of either testosterone or estrogen and pro
01:38:48.080 progesterone. Even though we say puberty blockers, their actual description is gonadotropen
01:38:55.040 releasing hormone agonist or gnr for short. And they aren't just used for
01:39:00.159 trans people. In fact, they're used in all cases where it might be a good idea to suppress testosterone or estrogen,
01:39:06.880 such as in men with prostate cancer, as fertility treatments for women, as a way
01:39:12.159 to reduce the risk of losing eggs during chemotherapy, as a way to prevent some children from entering puberty too
01:39:18.960 early. And yes, as spans is so keen to point out also as a way to chemically
01:39:25.119 castrate male sex offenders, which sounds really scary, but like it's
01:39:30.639 really not, right? Puberty blockers do not cause changes to the body. They do
01:39:35.760 the opposite. They're meant to stop the change. And if you stop taking them, your body begins producing hormones
01:39:41.440 again. This is why they're called fully reversible. In the case of Kiraabel, she began taking puberty blockers at the age
01:39:47.360 of 16. So, at this point, she had already entered female puberty. If she changed her mind, she would just stop
01:39:53.920 taking puberty bloggers and her female puberty would resume. Remember, it's the hormones that have an effect on the
01:40:00.719 body. So, Belle's body only began to masculineize when she got gender affirming hormone therapy, testosterone.
01:40:09.040 But the argument isn't that puberty bloggers don't pause hormones. It's not
01:40:14.560 about the intended effects as much as it is about the side effects. So, let's get
01:40:20.000 back to time to think to look at those arguments, shall we? While there are studies that describe the self-reported
01:40:26.080 high satisfaction of young people and their families of being on puberty blockers and some improvement in mental
01:40:32.080 health, others suggest there is evidence that puberty blocker use can lead to changes in sexuality and sexual
01:40:38.080 function, poor bone health, stunted height, low mood, tumorlike masses in the brain, and for those treated early
01:40:44.960 enough to continue on to cross sex hormones, almost certain infertility.
01:40:50.159 Let's wait a bit with a high satisfaction rate and look at the side effects that Barance gives credence to first. Okay. Barnes links to two sources
01:40:58.320 for the change in sexuality and sexual function. The first study looks at sexual problems and dysfunctions in
01:41:05.920 trans people. That's really bad, right Jasper? Not so fast. This study has
01:41:12.080 nothing to do with puberty blockers. It investigates how great an effect no medical treatment versus hormone therapy
01:41:19.760 versus hormone therapy and surgeries have on the well-being and sexual function of trans people. You see the
01:41:27.360 people in the study were already on gender affirming hormones. So they had already taken the next step from puberty
01:41:33.360 blockers. These people are in their 30s and 40s,
01:41:38.639 not teenagers or children. Okay. Anyways, what did the study find? simply that trans people have difficulties in
01:41:45.440 seeking and initiating sexual contact and difficulty in achieving orgasm. When the participants were asked about this,
01:41:52.080 some of them explained how this was due to body dysphoria. Trans women have as hard a time achieving orgasms as sis
01:41:59.280 women. When they went through surgeries, problems diminished.
01:42:05.760 It's almost like you feel better when you feel at home in your body. The
01:42:11.119 second study investigates the intersection of pubertal timing and psychosexuality.
01:42:16.400 Interesting. And once again, this is not about trans people on puberty bloggers.
01:42:21.520 It's actually about sis people with a gonadotropenreleasing hormone deficiency. Meaning people who
01:42:28.080 need help to enter puberty, but essentially need the opposite, puberty status. Basically, this study tells us
01:42:35.360 that people entering later into puberty than their peers might not be as sexual. Not in a kinky way, just in a very
01:42:42.239 vanilla want to procreate with my spouse kind of way. The study raises the question when it's best to enter puberty. And even though it's not about
01:42:48.400 trans people, it still allows us to ask, is it really ethical to let trans people wait so long before allowing them to
01:42:54.480 enter puberty? Doesn't it ostracize them from their peers? Doesn't maybe create the very same sexual dysfunctions we
01:43:00.480 were just talking about. Okay, next. Bounce writes about
01:43:06.719 tumoralike masses in the brain. And once again, the study isn't about trans
01:43:12.000 people. It's not even about tumors. The study is about one cisgender girl
01:43:18.719 who developed pseudo tumor cerebri after the fourth dose of G&HA.
01:43:24.239 A pseudo tumor is not a tumor, but instead a buildup of pressure, which is more commonly known as an idiopathic
01:43:31.119 intercranial hypertension. Okay, get this. This was the first time this was ever recorded in a child, which is
01:43:38.080 saying something since we have been using puberty blockers for children since the 80s. They're only weekly
01:43:43.280 associated with pseudo tumors. Specific vitamin A treatments for acne, for example, like retinoids are far more
01:43:49.520 likely to cause pseudo tumors, but we never hear about that, do we? Now, we can get to the really interesting stuff.
01:43:56.560 Bone mineral density and stunted height. The idea that puberty blockers weaken your bones. The hypothesis or the way
01:44:04.400 that Barnes presents it is that puberty burgers basically turn you into Samuel Lil Jackson from the movie Unbreakable.
01:44:13.199 Not into a black man, just that all your bones splinter and weaken. Okay. Bounce
01:44:18.719 links to a couple of different sources for this. They all pretty much say the same thing and they all seem to have the
01:44:26.080 same problems. So, let's just look at the first one. And this one is about trans people. Finally. So, this study
01:44:33.840 observes 51 transirl and 70 trans boys on puberty blockers and 36 trans girls
01:44:38.960 and 41 trans boys on hormone therapy and takes different measurements throughout the years. Specifically, they measure
01:44:46.239 their bone mineral apparent density or BMAD, which is a fancy way of saying
01:44:51.920 size and weight bones. Then they take these measurements and compare them to
01:44:57.840 the population average accounting for age and sex. And this is called the
01:45:04.719 Ccore. The study found that the bone density of those on puberty bloggers practically didn't change. But when they
01:45:11.920 were compared with the CC scores, the population average, it worsened more and
01:45:17.760 more. Okay. Why do I think this is so funny?
01:45:24.320 Maybe you've already picked up on it. Try to imagine what happens when you enter puberty. You grow body hair. Your
01:45:31.679 voice changes. You transition to adulthood. You literally grow up. So,
01:45:41.119 the study takes people who have grown up and compares them with people who
01:45:47.520 haven't grown up. They're comparing the bones of people who have entered puberty and have grown up and people who have
01:45:53.679 had the puberty blocked. And I don't know, maybe it should be a
01:46:00.080 little troubling that the people who use bone density as an argument can't wrap their head around this idea. Wrap your
01:46:07.119 heads around a pole, please. The fact that there is no significant change in bone density should be worrying, claim
01:46:13.040 other endocrinologists. Puberty is usually a time of rapid bone mass acruel. For it to stay static should be
01:46:19.760 of great concern to any practitioner using this medication. What the do you expect that they enter puberty while
01:46:28.000 on puberty blockers? Are you totally dafted?
01:46:35.360 It gets even dumber. Okay. When these trans children and adolescence get hormones and actually enter puberty,
01:46:41.920 their bone mass increases significantly. But for some weird reason, trans girls
01:46:47.840 bone mass never reaches the population average. H
01:46:53.199 look, they're not only comparing the corresponding age, but also the corresponding sex. So they are comparing
01:47:01.440 the bone mass of trans girls with the bone mass of cisgender men. And to the
01:47:08.400 study's credit, they do ponder this fact, but only very, very briefly.
01:47:14.400 Another issue is which reference population should be used to calculate BMD or BMADC scores in trans girls who
01:47:22.880 started treatment in early puberty. Bone architecture may be more similar to that of cisgender females than to cisgender
01:47:28.960 males. Oh, you think? You really think? And this study isn't doing anything out of
01:47:35.600 the ordinary, by the way. Most studies compare the bone density of trans women to cisgender men. Finally, infertility.
01:47:45.040 No. Uh, puberty bloggers do not make you permanently sterile. Hormone therapy
01:47:51.040 probably will though in the long run. But all people who go to a doctor or
01:47:56.239 clinician or psychiatrist for gender dysphoria are made aware of this.
01:48:03.119 It's why gender affirming hormones are often only available after you turn 16.
01:48:09.199 And it's still very possible to preserve sperm and eggs. Trust me, we aren't helping these children by forcing their
01:48:16.400 hand. Okay, so now I think it's time to look at whether puberty blockers
01:48:22.159 actually help trans people. Many studies claim to show the benefits of puberty bloggers to mental health, but these
01:48:28.480 have all been heavily critiqued and shown to have significant methodological flaws. Oh, really, Hannah? Have they
01:48:36.080 really all been shown to be flawed? Bance links to two studies that show
01:48:42.080 improvement to mental health, which she then shoots down with three critiques.
01:48:47.920 But I don't really care about those two studies. So, let's just look at the three critiques. And those are one by
01:48:54.159 Jesse Single, one by 770 KTTthTH Conservative Radio, and one by Michael
01:49:01.040 Bigs. And sure, the first one, Single's article, is it's it's so boring that he
01:49:08.239 can just have that one. Okay, I don't care about the two studies. The next critique from 7070 KTTthTH Conservative
01:49:16.480 Talk Radio is literally a commentary on this article from Single. So B just reuses the same
01:49:24.560 arguments from a commentary on a commentary. And finally, the last person, Michael Bigs, is someone who I
01:49:31.040 find really funny. Bigs is a professor in sociology at the University of Oxford
01:49:36.320 with the PhD from Harvard. Uh well, in 2018, some reporters at Oxford
01:49:41.520 investigated him and found that he had a Twitter account under the pseudonym Mr. Henry Wimbush. And there he could freely
01:49:48.960 speak his truth. He posted on average 37 times a day about trans people in a span
01:49:54.239 of 7 months. That's 6,700 tweets. Even though I think he's a total freak, his
01:49:59.440 article is again, it's fine. What these three critiques is saying is
01:50:05.760 basically that there is no difference in the mental health of trans adolescence on puberty bloggers and those not on
01:50:11.199 puberty bloggers. And like okay, but let me just set it straight. These are not the only studies that have ever been
01:50:19.040 conducted. Senior Jones from gender analysis, for example, links to eight studies that all show mental health
01:50:26.159 benefits for trans adolesccents when they medically transition. Though the most important thing that these people
01:50:31.920 always call on is a control group. Otherwise, you might argue that even though a lot of studies do show
01:50:37.280 improvements to mental health, it ultimately doesn't matter because maybe over the years that would have happened
01:50:43.360 if they got on the blocker or not. The gold standard version of such an
01:50:48.880 experimental setup would be to find 100 people with the flu and then divide them randomly into two groups of 50, each of
01:50:56.159 them equally sick on average. You treat them identically with the clinic visit, symptom measurement, and so on. With the
01:51:02.400 only exception being half of them get the actual treatment, and half of them get a sugar pill or some other sham
01:51:08.400 treatment we wouldn't expect to have any impact on the flu. Okay? But we're not talking about flu
01:51:14.719 symptoms here. Puberty blockers are not in the same category as pain medication, nicotine, gum, or SSRI. It's not a
01:51:21.040 matter of feelings. It's a matter of the unstoppable train of aging. You either
01:51:26.880 get the blocker and don't enter puberty or you don't get the blocker and enter puberty. It's much more like a
01:51:34.080 contraceptive for example. So if I should give you an example, what would a
01:51:40.480 control group look like? Um, it would be like taking 100 women where 50 of them are taking the contraceptive pill and 50
01:51:47.360 of them are receiving a placebo and then every day for two years they're inciminated with the sperm of Elon Musk
01:51:54.480 and whoopsie. Irreversible changes that not a single person would appreciate happened to them. Oh, they feel bad. Oh,
01:52:01.920 good thing we had the control group to figure that out. Okay. Otherwise, we couldn't have known. Who could have
01:52:07.599 known you didn't want to have much child? And if you did it with puberty bloggers, some people would go through puberty and
01:52:14.080 others wouldn't. Wonder if it might cause some trauma if people had to gamble on the body turning against them.
01:52:20.159 And then what do we want them to continue taking the placebo when they actually enter puberty? Like how stupid can you be? The thing is, puberty
01:52:26.639 bloggers are not meant to treat depression. They aren't meant to treat self harm, trauma, having friends, a
01:52:32.000 dysfunctional family, or a government that wants to eliminate your existence.
01:52:37.679 They just treat puberty. Mental health outcomes are also just a side effect. I
01:52:43.599 honestly don't care if they make trans children feel better or not because
01:52:48.719 that's not the function. And it has been shown again and again that while puberty
01:52:54.480 bloggers might not help, gender affirming hormones absolutely irrefutably
01:53:01.360 do help. So if you want these children to be happy, let them go through a normal puberty with the help of gender
01:53:07.760 affirming hormones. I don't like that children have to get double masectomies,
01:53:12.880 getting their breasts removed. And if you don't like it either, you should also just support puberty bloggers. It
01:53:18.400 really is that simple. I'm 100% for puberty bloggers for children at whatever age they need them. It's
01:53:25.280 idiotic to only allow them for adults where they already have gone through
01:53:30.320 puberty. Kiraabel would never have to had her breast removed if she started
01:53:35.360 transitioning before she went through puberty. When she then inevitably
01:53:41.280 dransitioned, she would just have gone through a second female puberty.
01:53:46.800 Another argument Hannah Bans makes is that puberty blockers might somehow make
01:53:53.119 children trans. 98% of them who started puberty blockers
01:53:58.320 went on to cross- sex hormones. So you set something in train that although
01:54:04.080 it's talked about as being a pause for thought or being reversible in the first
01:54:10.000 stage, you know, it it clearly isn't. She cites a study where 98% of all
01:54:15.599 children who are administered puberty bloggers also go on to hormone replacement therapy. And this, she says,
01:54:21.760 is totally unheard of. Is that's just way too many for it to be real. But how
01:54:28.000 isn't this a good thing? How can these people go on and on about these children might not be trans when they're shown at
01:54:34.159 every turn that yes, these children are very aware of what they want and what they need?
01:54:40.960 Would the study only be successful if 50% of children stopped transitioning?
01:54:46.880 We wouldn't hear them complaining about oh fasttracking or transing them. Then
01:54:54.080 what do they want? More people to change their mind.
01:54:59.280 Yeah. Well, that's exactly what they want actually. And that's exactly what they
01:55:04.880 believe is going to happen. Chapter nine, desistence, part one.
01:55:06.000 No text
01:55:10.880 Every single one of these arguments relies on the idea that most or all those who transition will later come to
01:55:18.080 regret it. If they don't regret it, if they continue living happily, the concerns of causes, surgeries, puberty
01:55:25.440 blockers, side effects, you name it, will the concern shift to being about ethical trans healthcare? And like,
01:55:33.199 let's be real, that's not what these people care about. No, they're scared
01:55:38.400 that the hardships that trans people face are in actuality happening to sis
01:55:44.320 people who have somehow been tricked into being trans.
01:55:51.280 Well, have they are people being tricked? If they are being tricked, we should
01:55:57.920 expect to see a rapid acceleration in people who retransition.
01:56:03.520 That's what's usually referred to as dransition or desistence rates.
01:56:09.520 And look, I I don't get it. Look at it
01:56:14.639 like this. If you're sis, but think that you're trans and you transition and you're happy and satisfied, then you're
01:56:22.320 trans. Who are we to decide if you're sis or trans or a man or a woman or
01:56:28.719 neither? This idea that you have to be one thing and be that one thing all the
01:56:34.080 time and never be dissatisfied or unsure or unhappy and never get a redo or a say
01:56:40.320 in the matter. It's just it's kind of stupid to me. Barnes lists three sources
01:56:47.040 for the high desistance rates. One, which is the NHS standard contract for
01:56:52.159 gender identity development service for children and adolescence. Two, the DSM5
01:56:58.159 or DSMV. And three, a critique of methodological flaws. Apparently, the
01:57:03.360 whole desistance model is filled with them. And this one's by someone named Kenneth Sucker. Probably not an
01:57:10.239 important guy. Whatever. And I can hear what you're thinking, but the NHS and the DSM, those are legitimate. Of
01:57:16.560 course, of course they are. Don't worry, we're so close to being done. And don't
01:57:22.159 look at the video progress bar, please. Are these videos filled with an hour of patron names at the end anyways? First,
01:57:28.719 the NHS, and they don't make the numbers up, luckily. In follow-up studies of
01:57:34.159 preubertal children, mainly boys, who were referred to clinics for assessment of gender dysphoria, the dysphoria
01:57:40.320 persisted into adulthood for only 6 to 23% of children. Boys in these studies were more likely to identify as gay in
01:57:47.520 adulthood than as transgender. Newer studies, also including girls, showed a
01:57:53.040 12 to 27% persistence rate of gender dysphoria into adulthood. Huh, it's that
01:57:59.679 it's that soccer guy again. The DSM5 book is expensive. So instead of linking
01:58:06.080 directly to that balance just scrolls a bit further down the page where it reads according to the DSM5 rates of GD
01:58:13.280 continuing into adolescence or adulthood vary. In assigned males this has ranged from 2 to 30%. In assigned females this
01:58:21.599 has ranged from 12 to 50%. It's clear that for the majority of gender confused
01:58:26.880 boys and girls, gender dysphoria desists over time as they enter adolescence.
01:58:32.480 Sucker again, huh? All right. Well, compared to Barnes, I
01:58:38.239 did find the DSM or the fifth edition she refers to. And let's see where they
01:58:44.400 get those sources, shall we? Rates of persistence of gender dysphoria from childhood into adolescence or adulthood
01:58:51.360 vary. In natal males, persistence has ranged from 2.2 to 30%, in natal
01:58:57.280 females, persistence has ranged from 12 to 50%. There aren't any sources.
01:59:02.639 However, extent follow-up samples consisted of children receiving no formal therapeutic intervention or
01:59:09.599 receiving therapeutic interventions of various types, ranging from active
01:59:14.960 efforts to reduce gender dysphoria to a more neutral, watchful waiting approach.
01:59:22.320 Oh man, I'm really looking forward to getting to know these active efforts
01:59:27.920 more intimately. And would you look at that soccer on the DSM5 task force? He
01:59:35.280 he's practically the one who wrote the whole section on GD. Who is this guy? Uh
01:59:40.719 he's from Toronto. Maybe he knows the only other psychologist that Jordan P.
01:59:46.480 You may have been told this, but perhaps you weren't. So there are good long-term
01:59:51.840 studies of children with gender dysphoria. Most of them were conducted in Toronto where I happen to be by a man
01:59:58.000 named Ken Zucker. And Zucker ran a a clinic for gender dysphoric kids way
02:00:03.520 before this became part of the culture war, let's say. And he was a very straight and honest scientist, a very
02:00:10.320 good researcher, not a political person. And what he showed was what his clinic
02:00:15.440 showed, many peer-reviewed studies, was that gender dysphoria of the type that you
02:00:21.520 described is relatively rare. But if you leave kids alone
02:00:27.920 till they're 19 or 18, 80 to 90% of them settle into their biological identity.
02:00:34.480 If you leave them alone, Peterson, we'll see about that, Bucko.
02:00:40.000 But if you just backed the hell off and waited, those kids would settle into
02:00:46.000 their body. But generally, I' adopt a homosexual orientation. And so that was,
02:00:51.119 as far as I could tell, that was the best research. Now, Zucker got slaughtered for this. And he was
02:00:56.880 slaughtered for this when it all turned political. All he said was, "Back the hell off."
02:01:03.040 His guideline medically was, "Don't do any harm."
02:01:08.239 Right? Back the hell off. God. All he wanted was for people to leave the children alone and he was
02:01:14.320 slaughtered for this. When it all turned political, let me just take a look at his wiki. Life boring. Therapeutic
02:01:21.520 intervention. Boring. There it is. Closure of the CAM age gender identity
02:01:26.560 clinic for children. In January 2015, Saka was the psychologist in chief at
02:01:33.440 Toronto Center for Addiction and Mental Health, CAMH, and head of its gender
02:01:38.560 identity service. Rainbow Health Ontario submitted a review of academic literature and clinical practices for
02:01:45.760 transgender youth and expressed concern that the gender identity clinic was not following accepted practices. Others
02:01:53.199 linked the gender identity clinics practices to suicide of transgender youth caused by conversion therapy and
02:01:59.920 referenced the high-profile case of Leela Elhorn, a transgender teen from Ohio.
02:02:08.000 Oh, chapter 10. Kenneet Sucker. Hello guys.
02:02:09.000 No text
02:02:14.159 I got some feedback that people wanted to order content warnings. So, from here on out, um, expect things to get worse.
02:02:21.840 content warnings for major child abuse, conversion therapy, suicide, sexual abuse, and pedophilia, which spans
02:02:30.080 pretty much the rest of the video. So, if you do not want to subject yourself to that, you have my full respect, and
02:02:37.199 that's okay. If my channel ever gets monetized, that would be pretty epic.
02:02:43.360 Yippee. Anyway, take it away, Jasper.
02:02:52.800 [Music] Kenneet J. Saga is probably the most
02:02:58.400 prominent researcher on gender identity. Man, wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where that was a good thing? Not
02:03:04.800 only has he practically defined how the world views trans people through his
02:03:10.000 place as head of the committee on sexual and gender identity disorders in the DSM5, but Zucker also helped write the
02:03:18.159 DSM4 and the DSM3R. Dr. Kenneth Zuker is one of the world's foremost child psychologists
02:03:25.360 specializing in gender dysphoria. He's been in the forefront of the mainstream sentiment on trans people for the last
02:03:31.520 50 years because he has also overseen which studies and research has been
02:03:37.199 published on trans people. Kenneet Sucker is the editor-inchief of the academic journal archives of sexual
02:03:43.760 behavior. His stamp of approval is one of the reasons we still talk about ROG
02:03:49.679 and autogophilia and well honestly why the transbate is even a thing. You see,
02:03:57.199 Kennet Sucker wants to eliminate trans people. Not kill them, but if he can
02:04:02.639 convert them to being cisgender, that'll make him happy and comfortable.
02:04:09.199 His viewpoint of valuing sis people higher than trans people. His power as
02:04:14.639 editor-inchief of a large academic journal and his influence on the very
02:04:19.920 definition of what it means to be trans has resulted in Kenneth sucker being dubbed public enemy number one to
02:04:27.040 transgenders at least according to this piece from 2009. So now I think it's
02:04:32.719 time to well go back in time. I think we should start with sirus magnamopus gender
02:04:40.400 identity disorders in children and adolescence which he wrote in 1995 with the help of Susan Bradley. This was the
02:04:47.440 main piece of evidence for the 6% persistence rates from the NHS. Michael
02:04:53.199 Bailey, the guy who was really horny earlier, described it as surely the most comprehensive text ever written on this
02:05:00.320 topic. Now, the book is so niche that it's practically impossible to get a hold of, but I did find some snippets on
02:05:07.760 Google. The book starts with some case examples of suckers patients. Clinical
02:05:13.280 assessments revealed that some of these boy prefer to sit to urinate, which seems to fuel a fantasy that they have
02:05:19.199 female genitalia. A sixth was persistent in claiming that she had male genitalia. If hit in the stomach with a hockey
02:05:25.440 puck, she would clutch herself and exclaim, "Oh, my balls. Maybe that's funny." During a raw shack ink blood
02:05:32.000 test, one child exclaimed, "You know what? It's a dick. It's not a nice thing to say. It's sort of rude. It's okay if
02:05:39.040 you say dick, but not if you say it like this dick." Also pretty funny. The
02:05:44.719 others are not and I'll spare you for now. Sucker and Susan Bradley then go on
02:05:49.840 to discuss whether or not gender identity disorder is a mental illness. They had also noticed some of the
02:05:56.159 protests from the anti-G folk at the time, but Saka and Bradley were pretty
02:06:02.080 adamant that no, these children are sick in the head. Anyways, let's see what
02:06:08.000 else we can find in the book, shall we? As noted in chapters 2 and six, boys
02:06:13.360 with gender identity disorder are often highly avoidant of rough and tumble activity. In contrast, girls with gender
02:06:20.239 identity disorder are often oriented towards sports and rough and tumble activity. Other specific factors within
02:06:26.480 the boys may be that they are unusually attractive. What? Unusually attractive,
02:06:34.960 huh? And citations to back it up. Okay. Now, clip to foreshadowing is a is
02:06:42.000 a is a let's skip to the fun part. treatment. Behavior therapists were
02:06:48.159 criticized for their treatment of cross-gender identified boys, which often consisted of extinguishing or
02:06:54.560 punishing specific feminine behaviors such as playing with Barbie dolls and rewarding or encouraging specific
02:07:01.679 masculine behaviors such as playing with dart guns. Are they gamified gender? How
02:07:07.360 fun. Anyways, it's never been trans people who thought that if boys played
02:07:12.480 with dolls, they were actually girls. No, the gender essentialism was
02:07:17.840 literally written into how sis people define what it means to be trans. A
02:07:23.599 4-year-old boy was fitted with a wrist counter and told to press it only when playing with boys toys. This behavior
02:07:31.760 was initially facilitated by behavioral queuing in which the boy wore a buck in
02:07:36.880 the ear device and was told when to press the counter. An overall examination of the above case reports,
02:07:43.920 particularly those by RAS and his group, suggests that behavior therapy do have some immediate effects on the sex-type
02:07:50.480 behavior of crossgender identified children. And there we have it. At this
02:07:56.560 point in time, Sucker supports conversion therapy for trans people. Get to them young when they're gullible and
02:08:02.639 malleable and naive. That's when conversion Sorry, sorry. I mean reparative
02:08:11.360 sorry I mean exploratory therapy is most effective according to soccer. Okay I
02:08:17.040 hear you thinking but trans people don't have it easy. Isn't a little conversion
02:08:22.560 good if they can avoid the pain. So you are asking why conversion therapy is bad.
02:08:28.960 Seriously that's your question I wrote for you? Well let me put it in this really
02:08:35.520 disgusting light. It doesn't work and it cost a whole lot of money. Actually, let
02:08:41.760 me just read it out for you. Among 28 published studies which included 190,695
02:08:49.599 LGBTQ individuals, 12% of youths experienced SOGIC, sexual orientation
02:08:55.840 and gender identity change efforts. Relative to LGBTQ individuals who did not undergo sgic recipients experienced
02:09:04.480 serious psychological distress, depression, substance abuse, and attempted suicide. In the economic
02:09:11.119 analysis over a lifetime horizon with a 3% annual discount rate, the base case
02:09:16.239 model estimated additional $97,985 lifetime cost per individual with SOGIC
02:09:23.760 associated with 1.61 61 QLY quality adjusted life years lost versus
02:09:30.079 no intervention. Affirmative therapy yielded cost savings of 40,329
02:09:36.480 with 0.93 qlaws gained versus no intervention with an estimated 58,892
02:09:46.639 youths at risk for sic in 2021. The total annual cost of SGIC
02:09:54.960 is estimated at $650 million with associated harms totaling an economic
02:10:02.239 burden of 9.23 billion. Now, you might argue that
02:10:09.199 homosexual conversion therapy and gender conversion therapy aren't the same or
02:10:15.280 aren't in the same league. That's at least what someone like Anna Hutchinson thinks. Let's get real.
02:10:22.639 Conversion and aversion practices were once practiced by therapists in the NHS
02:10:29.119 with same sex attracted adults. These practices were often punishing and
02:10:35.360 included horrors such as electric truck sheep treat electric shock treatment uh
02:10:41.040 and induced vomiting. There is no evidence that this is happening today and certainly not with
02:10:47.119 children because that would be illegal. But it did happen. And in my opinion, we
02:10:52.480 mustn't minimize the suffering of this previous generation of gay adults by
02:10:57.679 appropriating their experiences and misapplying them to a new generation of
02:11:03.199 gender questioning children. And wrong again, Hutchinson. She argues
02:11:10.000 that real conversion therapy is electroshock and hypnotism and vomiting. And these are all things that have been
02:11:16.239 used on trans people as well. History has shown that conversion therapy is rarely about sexuality. It's usually
02:11:23.760 about eliminating effeminate behavior. I'm not sure really thinks that it's two different things, even though he claims
02:11:30.960 that the prevention of homosexuality has never been a goal in his research. It's mainly because of the lack of empirical
02:11:37.520 evidence. [Music] So on one hand, yes, maybe Saka is very
02:11:44.960 picky about his conversion therapy, but on the other hand, he did also publish a funny little 363page book on exgay
02:11:52.639 research. And you know, it's fine to investigate the idea of fluid sexuality.
02:11:58.400 The problem is that it will most definitely be used to counter gay acceptance as the very idea of wanting
02:12:04.719 to be hedro is by definition anti-gay. In the first chapter of the book XK
02:12:11.840 research, Saka mentions that for any readers interested in learning about the intellectual and ideological positions
02:12:19.040 of NAT, National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, a
02:12:24.719 subscription to the NAT bulletin is worth the few dollars it costs. NAT now
02:12:30.079 going by the name Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity. Wow. if you don't know, is
02:12:37.119 kind of the leading organization in the pseudoscientific research of conversion therapy for homosexuality.
02:12:43.920 And while soccer doesn't directly condone Nath, Nath doesn't play fast and
02:12:50.079 loose with conversion therapy. They just like all of it and they really like soccer.
02:12:55.920 Nath wrote a letter on his research in 2007 and in support of parents rights to
02:13:01.119 avert a homosexual outcome for their children. Sucker cites a persuasive quote from Richard Green. The right of
02:13:08.400 the parents to oversee the development of children is a longestablished principle who is to dictate that parents
02:13:14.800 may not try to raise their children in a manner that maximizes the possibility of a heterosexual outcome. If that
02:13:21.440 prerogative is denied, should parents also be denied the right to raise their children as atheists or as priests? So,
02:13:28.880 in 1995, when this book was published, Sucker was at least comfortable with the
02:13:34.880 idea of conversion therapy for homosexuality. if there just was evidence to show it
02:13:40.880 worked. There is now widespread recognition, at least among mental health professionals,
02:13:47.599 that homosexuality is not inherently related to general psychopathology or mental disorders. However, the treatment
02:13:55.119 of crossgender identified children for the purpose of preventing homosexuality has been justified on other grounds
02:14:02.320 including parental taste and parental morality. With regards to the former, Green has mused
02:14:07.920 the rights of the parents to oversee the development of children is a long established principle. Who is to dictate that parents may not try to raise their children in a manner that maximizes the
02:14:13.679 possibility of a heterosexual outcome. If that prerogative is denied, should parents also be denied the right to raise their children as atheists or as priests? Until it has been shown that
02:14:21.040 any form of treatment has any effect on a child's future sexual orientation,
02:14:26.480 Green's point is moot. In 1973, Robert Spitzer was largely responsible for
02:14:32.239 removing homosexuality as a diagnosis from the DSM3. No longer was it recognized as a sexual
02:14:38.719 deviation and disorder on par with pedophilia and transvesticism,
02:14:44.719 which probably helped gays to be accepted in wider society. So, you could call Spitzer pro- homo, I guess. In
02:14:52.400 2001, Robert Spitzer published a paper called, "Can some gay men and lesbians change their sexual orientation?" Which,
02:14:59.760 of course, was a retaliation on the idea that there was no scientific evidence to support conversion therapy, which Sucker
02:15:06.800 complains about. This will show him. Spitzer thought, "Gay men don't have it easy. They just
02:15:14.079 need to accept their maleness and then their unwanted male attractions will
02:15:19.599 decrease, he argued. He never stopped to think why it might be unwanted.
02:15:26.400 Who could hope to change the world? I guess the paper of course is like really
02:15:31.920 bad. Kind of in the same way that the LG paper is bad. There was an immediate backlash to it as well. Even the
02:15:38.639 American Psychology Association issued a critique because no matter how bad it is, it was still going to be used to
02:15:45.920 justify conversion therapy. And of course, that's what happened. The exgay
02:15:50.960 movement sprang on it like a rabbit in heat. But soccer, having just taken over the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior,
02:15:57.760 well, he kind of thought that Spitzer's paper So in 2003, Spitzer
02:16:04.400 publishes the paper through Sucker's journal. This was done on the condition that the commentaries on the paper were
02:16:10.320 also published. Then mitigating the ever irritating need to peer review.
02:16:17.119 Fast forward a decade and Spitzer finally realizes his mistake. Through the years, Spitzer apologized many
02:16:23.520 times, accepting and understanding the critique, perhaps finally understanding
02:16:28.639 that it isn't enough that homosexuality isn't a mental disorder. You also have
02:16:34.400 to accept it as normal. However, he never actually officially retracted the
02:16:40.160 paper. Why? Sucker wouldn't let him.
02:16:48.000 Okay, Sucker might not be a direct proponent of gay conversion therapy, but he has a pretty good idea of how someone
02:16:54.000 might argue for it. if they set out specifically to prevent homosexuality at all would probably do so with the view
02:17:00.558 that a homosexual lifestyle in a basically unaccepting culture simply create unnecessary social difficulties.
02:17:08.320 He then uses the very same argument to explain why conversion therapy for transgender people is good actually. A
02:17:16.718 fourth rationale in the treatment of crossgender identification in children is the prevention of transsexualism in
02:17:22.879 adulthood. There is little controversy in this rationale given the emotional distress experienced by gender dysphoric
02:17:29.519 adults and that's all that's available from Suckers Book Online. Sadly, it's
02:17:34.558 practically impossible to get your hands on, especially where I live and I've seen them go for north of $100.
02:17:42.558 Oh well, luckily I do have a copy. To be honest, the rest of the book doesn't provide a lot of new information. What
02:17:49.760 it does, however, is allow us a real glimpse back in time. A couple of things
02:17:54.799 sprang out to me. Sucker doesn't really believe in trans people. He doesn't think that a trans man is a man.
02:18:01.360 Instead, to him, a trans man is a defective woman. To him, people can't
02:18:08.080 change gender. They aren't the gender they say they are. Listen to this. Some adolescents with gender identity
02:18:14.718 disorder have an almost delusional sense that they really are the opposite sex or
02:18:20.000 can really be the opposite sex. But it struck me just how important this factoid is for his whole philosophy. If
02:18:27.519 people can't become a man or woman if they aren't what they say they are, if trans people aren't real, then basically
02:18:33.840 all treatments to prevent transition are valid. I've read quite a lot of books on
02:18:39.920 psychopathology over the last two years. And there are usually two ways they're
02:18:45.281 written, either empathetically or condescending. And Sucker's book is definitely not
02:18:53.040 empathetic. He lists one example of a trans man who thought he had impregnated his
02:18:58.799 girlfriend and another example of a trans man who creates a penis held up by wire which he uses to fantasize a fellio
02:19:06.959 with his girlfriend. Like, yeah, they're kind of they're kind of out there, but
02:19:13.040 Saka never tries to understand why these people feel the way they do.
02:19:18.478 Obviously, you can't impregnate someone without sperm, but can't you understand that someone might just hope? And
02:19:26.799 obviously, a DIY dildo isn't a penis, but neither are any other dildos. Sex
02:19:32.638 isn't just about procreation or physical sensation, right? You don't use a strap
02:19:38.160 on because you imagine the dildo feels really good. Maybe you like dominating. Maybe you like simulating a man. Maybe
02:19:44.718 you just like watching your partner squirm. I don't know. A Saka just whoops it to
02:19:50.800 the side like I simply cannot comprehend simulaka.
02:19:56.479 This is a natural and you are delusional. Lastly, a floridly psychotic
02:20:02.399 adolescent may present with the statement that he or she is of the opposite sex. Such statements are
02:20:08.880 typically part of the delusional system and generally cease with the treatment of the psychosis. This book is so
02:20:16.000 focused on treating treating treating the child to rid them of cross-dressing
02:20:21.120 behavior that it never pauses and imagines a world where these children can feel welcome. Only the world sucker
02:20:27.760 himself inhabits where the children are either repaired or failures. At least
02:20:34.160 three goals. Elimination of peer ostracism in childhood, treatment of other psychopathology, and the
02:20:39.920 prevention of transsexualism in adulthood are so obviously clinically valid and consistent with the ethics of
02:20:46.800 our time that they constitute sufficient justification for therapeutic intervention. The book makes me feel as
02:20:53.520 if I'm standing behind a pane of glass to inspect these children as if they are some kind of zoo animal. It's almost
02:20:58.720 David Atenburghesque except David understands that nature is weird and is
02:21:04.560 not designed to be comprehensible to mankind. Four-year-old
02:21:10.640 might say uh that he's a dog.
02:21:16.399 Um do you go out and buy dog food? So with
02:21:21.439 the ultimate goal of eliminating transgender behavior, Saka set out to find any trace of origin and was
02:21:27.680 seemingly willing to practice any treatment if it meant that these children would grow up normal. And this
02:21:34.800 ties in with the second point. Saka mentions social constructionists a
02:21:40.720 couple of times. You know, people who believe society is replicated and
02:21:45.760 understood through interactions and relations and not just heretic genetics.
02:21:51.359 Social constructionists, the contemporary gadflies of psychiatry are disdainful of the notion of
02:21:57.200 intrapersonal distress except as a response to social oppression. In their view, one can never be the architect of
02:22:04.080 one's own misery. Suddenly, all his theorizing made so much sense. I believe
02:22:10.800 that soccer believes that psychiatry is a pure science with certain factually
02:22:16.560 right and wrong answers. If there's a problem, there must also be a root to that problem. And if we haven't found
02:22:22.640 it, it's just because we haven't dug deep enough. A person is made up of pure genetics and decisions, an ultrarational
02:22:29.760 individual organism. And to that I say, n
02:22:35.920 maybe take a single course in sociology like I did. But really it explains so
02:22:41.040 much of the book. If a child is a result of some formula, the next logical step
02:22:46.080 to understand why the child is the way it is is to look to its roots and to look into epigenetics, eiology and
02:22:53.200 associated psychopathology. But the parents and especially the mother is a
02:22:59.200 part of the problem if they even dare to tolerate that the child crossdresses. G
02:23:05.120 is seen as a rejection of a real identity. a rejection of real biology
02:23:10.960 and an escape into a fantasy land into a world of constructions. So when the parents tolerate or even
02:23:17.280 accept their child's behavior, this book sees it as playing into the delusion,
02:23:22.399 being part of the problem. Of course, soccer's approach was never watchful
02:23:29.120 waiting. It was active discouragement and punishment for deviant and perverse tendencies and affirmation of
02:23:35.840 biologically accepted sex type behavior. And on the journey to find any probable
02:23:42.319 reason for a cause, it led these researchers down some weird paths because they had come to realize
02:23:50.160 just how attractive some of these children with gender identity disorder were. and super hot kids must be a sign
02:23:58.560 of something, right? This was based on Robert Stalter's work from the 1960s, a
02:24:04.960 previous well-known psychiatrist. Stal's theory goes something like this. It's a
02:24:11.520 three generational formula. A mother is negligent towards her daughter. The
02:24:16.720 daughter experiences strong love from her father, but only very briefly. And
02:24:22.319 this cocktail encourages the daughter to identify with maleness. This of course
02:24:28.240 makes her bisexual. When the bisexual daughter grows up and becomes a mother herself, her husband
02:24:35.120 becomes absent. Of course, this absence of the father makes her want to feminize
02:24:41.280 the fellows of her beautiful son. And therefore,
02:24:47.040 the sun crossdresses. And boy oh boy, these researchers just couldn't help but notice just how beautiful those children
02:24:54.319 were. Maybe this sounds crazy, but this was the state of trans research before the turn of the millennia. So Saka set
02:25:02.240 out to test it because what if these children were transgender because they were too beautiful to be boys? A group
02:25:09.920 of boys with an average age of 8.1 years had pictures taken of them from the chest up and graded on how cute, pretty,
02:25:17.200 attractive, and beautiful they were. They found that those with gender identity disorder scored higher on
02:25:23.280 attractiveness. The more feminine the kids were, the hotter apparently. So, of course, they
02:25:30.640 wanted to do this with little girls as well, but this one's different. The
02:25:36.399 researchers took 12 girls with the DSM3 diagnosis of gender identity disorder,
02:25:41.520 10 normal girls as a control group, and a further 12 as a clinical control group. But if the clinical control group
02:25:49.120 weren't normal, and they weren't trans, what were they? Of these last 12, 11 of
02:25:57.280 them, and I cannot stress how up this is, were taken from a pool of girls
02:26:02.720 referred to a child protection agency because they had been either sexually abused or had experienced physical abuse
02:26:08.560 or emotional neglect. The girls were on average 6 and 1/2 years old. With
02:26:13.600 parental consent at the time of assessment, a colored photograph was taken of each girl, usually from the
02:26:19.120 chest up. The girls were instructed to smile. Subsequent photographs showed that only three girls did not smile.
02:26:25.040 Just like the previous study, the girls needed to be scored on how attractive they were. A group of 31 men and women
02:26:31.120 with an average age of 21.6 years were instructed to rate the girls on a fivepoint scale of being attractive,
02:26:37.359 beautiful, cute, pretty, and ugly. I wonder what they found. The girls
02:26:43.520 referred to the gender clinic were apparently uglier than the rest. But the clinical control group of sexual abuse
02:26:50.240 victims were on average more attractive, beautiful, cute, and pretty than the
02:26:56.160 rest. Also, older girls scored worse.
02:27:06.000 No text
02:27:06.800 Chapter 11. Richard Green. And soccer isn't even in the French part of Canada.
02:27:13.120 Shaking my damn head. Fun fact, for some reason soccer book decides to leave out
02:27:18.960 that some of the girls were abuse victims. But no matter how disgusting I
02:27:24.160 feel that study was, of course, it doesn't invalidate the whole body of work of Sucker and his colleagues. Also,
02:27:30.319 he's known for being quite latigious. So no, no, it's not that all these men, Sucker in the Studies, Richard Green in
02:27:36.880 his book, or Stalin in the transsexual experiment, all for some inexplicable
02:27:41.920 reason, comment again and again on the extreme attractiveness of the boys with
02:27:47.600 gender identity disorder that makes me discredit them. No, it's their whole
02:27:52.880 body of work, or most succinctly, their base philosophy that makes me discredit
02:27:58.720 them and in particular, soccer. I'm not even sure exactly what they wanted to accomplish with the study. There haven't
02:28:05.120 been any follow-ups. Maybe Sucker got inspired by some of his colleagues to investigate paraphilas. There are some
02:28:11.920 truly revolting studies by his buddy Ray Blanchard. And I realized that uh we used to use
02:28:17.680 these brief movie clips. They were they were basically deteriorating too much. We couldn't I I just couldn't see
02:28:24.160 continuing with them. So I wanted to go with photographs instead. But the still
02:28:29.200 photographs, as I described to you, looking like medical textbook illustrations, they just weren't quite
02:28:35.600 strong enough. So, what I did was I wrote a series of stories. Each is about
02:28:40.880 54 seconds long. So, if if I'm showing you a photograph of an 8-year-old girl,
02:28:46.399 you're hearing about a minute long story about how you're interacting sexually with this 8-year-old girl. If I show you
02:28:53.439 a photograph of a 25year-old man, you're a long you're hearing a story about
02:28:59.359 sexual interaction with a 25year-old man. So the two things together kind of beefed up response and we're getting
02:29:07.040 better results than we got with slide stimuli alone. If I'm being totally honest, I don't have that much of a problem with this
02:29:13.600 book. Uh, this one, by the way, to me, it's so obviously ancient and outdated
02:29:20.720 that it reads more as a piece of history than a relevant academic work. That is,
02:29:26.399 I wouldn't have a problem with it if it wasn't still used today. God damn it. It's still one of the major
02:29:35.200 works backing up the DSM5. There are a handful of books from this era still being cited today as credible evidence
02:29:42.319 for the low persistence rates. The most notable are these four. Money and Russo 1979.
02:29:47.520 Homosexual outcome of discord and gender identity/roll. Longitudinal followup.
02:29:52.800 Sen Bradley 1995. Gender identity disorder and psychosexual problems in children and
02:29:58.080 adolescence. Suka 1984 early effeminate behavior on boys outcome and significance for
02:30:03.920 homosexuality. And Green the 1987 the boy syndrome. I've mentioned Green a couple of times.
02:30:10.240 He's a lesserknown entity in the space, most likely because he's dead.
02:30:15.680 Anyways, he was the editor of Archives of Sexual Behavior before he handed it off to Saka in the 2000s. But I want to
02:30:22.399 focus specifically on his work, The  Boy Syndrome, as the book is largely comprised of the recorded
02:30:28.720 interviews with the patients. Also, it's a wonderful name for a queer
02:30:34.720 band. of the original 44 patients who were diagnosed with gender identity disorder
02:30:41.200 in childhood and who then subsequently were sent to treatment to prevent
02:30:46.399 cross-dressing. Only 12 were available for the follow-up. The book contains the
02:30:51.520 full interviews with these 12. Only one person was labeled as an adult
02:30:56.720 transsexual. So this is where the 2.2 persistent statistics come from. Cool,
02:31:02.720 right? real cool when you read the interviews. And I don't know if it's
02:31:07.840 just me, but they are really sad. These kids enter into psychiatric care to get
02:31:13.760 help, but the only help they get is Green telling them, "No, you can't be a girl." And then he weirdly tries to
02:31:20.080 lecture children on male and female sexual anatomy. So when you become married and you become a daddy, you'll
02:31:26.560 help the mommy have a little baby. And that's why it's good to be a boy. And that's why it's good to have a penis. So
02:31:33.520 you can help the mommy. She needs you. What the Crane? What the are you on about? What? There's lots of talk
02:31:40.479 of sexual fantasies and masturbation. It's weird and it feels very intrusive.
02:31:47.200 Anyways, while yes, most of these children grew up to be homosexual or bisexual, there's a definitely lingering
02:31:53.840 shame permeating all of the stories. One of the fathers of the then children
02:32:00.080 says, "My worst fear is that that he'd be a homo or he'll be a you know, it's a
02:32:06.479 funny thing. As I get older with the kid, I'm not so concerned with him. Yet, there are times with his relationship
02:32:12.800 with certain guys, I'm wondering what the hell is going on." Only then to acknowledge that the father himself has
02:32:19.600 had prior experience with guys. Or another guy who got into an argument with his mother. My mother asked me when
02:32:25.680 I broke up with my girlfriend. She goes, "You know, now that this is over, do you think you'll be going back to it?" And I
02:32:31.920 said, "My god, for 3 years and plus I've been straight. I haven't gone back to that or thought about even looking at
02:32:38.319 it. You know, I have made so many goddamn efforts and I've changed my life
02:32:43.680 for the better and you guys still, you know, drop it." I said, "Jesus Christ, can't
02:32:50.800 you ever give me just a hug and a kiss and just praise me and say, you know, I
02:32:56.000 believe you." Or how one interviewer talks about an experience with a guy and
02:33:01.520 his twin brother. This guy wanted you two to each other or he wanted to
02:33:06.880 both of you. He wanted my brother to me and no way. My brother was
02:33:12.399 there and he said, "Yeah, I'll do it." Your brother was willing to do it? Yes.
02:33:17.680 I think it would anything. I would starve and die before I would. He was up
02:33:23.520 to it? Yeah. He was totally up to it. He was so pissed off at me. Why? Cuz he
02:33:28.800 could have made $250. No way. I'm not entirely sure all these
02:33:34.160 people ever got fully rid of their want to be women. One of them still has his
02:33:39.359 moments. Another is afraid of being seen as too feminine. It sometimes seems that
02:33:44.960 they are just suppressing it to the nth degree. But
02:33:50.399 I don't know. I just want to ask again, why not just let these people be? Why force these children? Has it made their
02:33:57.280 lives better? Of course, I I have no idea. In 1987, sure, Green makes the
02:34:03.120 argument that the surgeries are pretty bad, but now if people are able, then
02:34:08.800 why stop them if it makes it a life worth living? Finally, Green also comments on another psychiatrist,
02:34:16.479 George RAS. And uh this one's interesting because Green outlines a major reaction he had to RA's
02:34:22.800 treatments. See, RAS didn't just try to prevent adult transsexualism, but also homosexuality. I have even more
02:34:29.920 difficulty with the moralistic basis that has recently revealed behind RA's attempts to treat these children. That
02:34:36.800 basis is described in his books, Shaping Your Child's Sexual Identity and Growing Up Straight. The goal of the treatment
02:34:43.680 is to promote real masculinity, which should be affirmed in every young man in order to prevent them from being
02:34:49.840 strongly tempted by the sexual perversions. Homosexuality is an unfortunate perversion and a
02:34:55.760 manifestation of promiscuous and perverted sexual behavior. I don't know if it's wreckers or how
02:35:01.680 it's pronounced, but I can tell you what he does unequivocally. He is number one a Baptist minister and a founding member
02:35:08.800 of the Anti-Gay Family Research Council. We're familiar with them. Tony of Tony Perkins fame. He's also a board member
02:35:15.680 of an organization called Narth. They basically espouse that gays can be
02:35:20.720 fixed. They can turn straight. He's also a board member of the American College of Pediatricians, uh, which is a shell
02:35:27.600 group which basically just wants to bring credibility to anti-gay distortions. He has a lucrative career
02:35:33.680 going on as a witness against gay adoption in trials. He gets paid whether
02:35:38.800 the adoption happens or not. Sometimes as much as 60 grand for one trial appearance. This is the most important
02:35:45.760 thing. He most recently has been caught with what is being called a rent boy
02:35:52.000 who advertised himself as somebody with a quote smooth sweet tight ass and a
02:36:00.960 perfectly built 8 in uncut. Now if you don't remember RAS is the guy
02:36:08.080 that Sucker cites extensively in his chapter on treatment. While Saka has
02:36:13.920 written critiques on RA's scientific inconsistencies, it is RA's approach to
02:36:19.040 therapy Suka defended when he wrote of the ostracism in childhood, treatment of
02:36:24.080 other psychopathology, and prevention of transexualism in adulthood are so obviously clinically valid and
02:36:29.280 consistent with the ethics of our time that they constitute sufficient justification for therapeutic intervention.
02:36:34.000 No text
02:36:35.520 Chapter 12, treatment. Let's dig a little deeper into RA's methodology for
02:36:41.840 attempting to extinguish feminine behavior, shall we? This is one of his
02:36:48.000 and Libuovitz's first major studies on gender in congruence. And just so you
02:36:53.680 know, this specific study was referred to as a prime example of the treatment
02:37:00.240 until recently. That is the study centers around one child sudinum Craig
02:37:06.720 who's between 4 and 5 years old as he sent treatment at UCLA for severe
02:37:12.640 deviant behavior in the form of crossdressing. Side note, this is the same place the children from Green Study
02:37:19.280 were sent to. At first, Craig was videotaped during playtime at the
02:37:24.479 clinic. I'll use masculine pronouns, by the way, as that was what he used later in life. These videotapes were
02:37:30.640 distributed to a couple of observers who were to score the behavior as either masculine or feminine. When this
02:37:36.960 clinical baseline was noted, Craig's mother was to note her child's behavior in the home and look for signs of
02:37:42.479 femininity four times a day, 10 minutes at a time. And this was done throughout the procedure to see if the behavior got
02:37:49.520 more tolerable. And uh what is feminine behavior? It's playing with girls, playing with female dolls, female
02:37:56.960 roleplay, whether it be as an actress, mother, female teacher. And then for
02:38:02.319 other feminine gestures, limp wrists, swishy hand, arm and torso movements,
02:38:08.000 way of hips, etc. Then for 1 hour, three times a week, the mother and the child was to come into the clinic. Each
02:38:15.439 session was comprised of three 10-minute play times where the child had a variety of toys to pick from. from the therapy
02:38:23.280 table. The mother was to sit and read a book and only look up to give Craig
02:38:28.640 attention if he was showing masculine behaviors. The mother was to wear earphones, allowing her to hear both her
02:38:34.399 child and the experimentter, who would tell her when to stop talking to him
02:38:39.520 now. Pick up the book, look away from him now. And when she followed the
02:38:45.200 instructions, she would also be rewarded with words of affirmation.
02:38:50.880 Good. Great. That's what we want. The mother was told that we had great
02:38:56.640 confidence in her ability to serve as Craig's primary therapist at home, which is the role she was in fact assigned.
02:39:02.880 The mother was required to sign a written contract with the investigators that specified that continued treatment
02:39:08.640 was contingent upon the mother's success in carrying out two instructions. To take reliable observational data in the
02:39:14.640 home and to gain control over a non-gender related behavior. To accomplish this, she was to give the
02:39:20.479 child different types of poker chips depending on its behavior. A blue token meant TV time and candy bars. Red tokens
02:39:28.080 meant no TV time, isolation in a corner, or physical punishment in the form of
02:39:33.520 the father spanking the child. The disobedient behavior did sharply decrease when the red tokens were backed
02:39:39.840 up by spanking. Craig was told that he would get one SWAT from his father for each red token he collected. After
02:39:46.080 collecting two SWATs in this manner for red tokens he had received while engaged in non-gender related behaviors, Craig
02:39:52.399 carefully avoided receiving but a few red tokens from that time on, even though the treatment was to persist for
02:39:57.840 more than half a year. Sucker cites this specific study as a method of effective
02:40:03.120 treatment on page 271. Actually, he sites RAS extensively in
02:40:09.840 the 1995 book. So extensively in fact that RAS has the third highest number of
02:40:15.840 sources cited only outmatched by John Money and Kenneet Sucker himself.
02:40:23.120 But at least it seemed like it worked, right? Child abuse has no silver linings.
02:40:32.240 We know today who the child referred to as Craig in the study was and what came
02:40:37.359 off him. Content warning. If you just want to skip this one, that's totally
02:40:42.399 fine with me. Craig was in reality named Kirk and was the middle child in a family of five.
02:40:49.280 Father, mother, an older brother, Kirk, and a younger sister. Kirk's family had no idea George Rers
02:40:55.120 has for the last three decades used Kirk as an example of a child whose affeminite behavior was successfully
02:41:01.359 altered. In numerous publications, Rickers has written about Kirk, calling him Craig to hide his identity. What was
02:41:08.240 described as two SWATs in the study was in fact not limited to SWATS.
02:41:15.520 I'm uh just going to read parts of the article about it. Okay. The family said the spankings were severe. The younger
02:41:21.600 sister remembers lots of belt incidents. She escaped the screaming by going to her bed to lay in the room with my
02:41:28.800 pillow on my head. Later, she would go to Kirk's bedroom and lay down and hug him. And we would just lay there. And
02:41:35.520 the thing that I remember is that he never even showed anger. He was just numb. During one particularly harsh
02:41:41.680 punishment, their mother recalls her husband spanked Kirk so hard that he had welts up and down
02:41:48.240 his back and on his buttocks. She remembers her older son saying, "Cry harder and he won't hit so hard."
02:41:56.000 She says, "Today it would be abuse." Sometimes the older son would try to
02:42:01.439 protect his brother to make his beatings less severe. I took some of the red chips and put them on my side. It left
02:42:08.000 Kirk just totally stricken with the belief that he was broken, that he was different from everybody else. The
02:42:13.840 younger sister recalled, "He even ate his lunch in the boy's bathroom for 3 years of his high school career, if you
02:42:20.720 want to call it that." In 2003, he died by suicide. Would you just talk to us for a second
02:42:26.560 about your therapy with the patient named Craig? It's published. We've interviewed
02:42:31.920 Craig's family recently. They say that the therapy you did with him as a child led directly to his suicide as an adult.
02:42:37.359 What do you say about that? I didn't know that. That's too bad. You're not aware of his suicide?
02:42:43.600 No. What do you say to the family if they say that the therapy that you did with him as a child led to his suicide as an
02:42:49.280 adult? Oh, well, I think scientifically that would be inaccurate.
02:42:55.920 But a psychiatrist who followed up with Kirk when he was 18, Dr. Richard Green wrote that Kirk told him he tried to
02:43:02.399 kill himself the year before because he didn't quote want to grow up to be gay.
02:43:07.680 I want to remind you we still use these studies. They are the basis of much of what is in the DSM5 on gender dysphoria.
02:43:15.520 Funny, right? It's not that the studies aren't useful or that they haven't contributed to society. The basic
02:43:21.439 problem with these studies is simply their age and therefore they're wrong.
02:43:27.040 definitions, methods and treatments. No, more than that, the whole philosophy
02:43:32.080 regarding gender has shifted. To put it into perspective, the money and Russo
02:43:37.200 follow-up was written only 5 years after women got the right to have a bank account in the US.
02:43:43.439 Female genital mutilation first became an offense in the UK in 1985.
02:43:49.359 10 years later, it was also prohibited in the US. Marital rape was legal in the UK until 1991. Gender has shifted.
02:43:59.200 What was once people lost to history became a medical miracle, which turned into medicalization, transforming to
02:44:05.920 pathologization, fetishism and deviance, transvesticism to turn sexualism, then
02:44:11.439 to gender identity disorder, deviant to fetishism, and back again. People no one
02:44:16.560 understood because no one listened to gender dysphoria. And who wrote this history?
02:44:23.040 Rarely the ones it's about. It's impossible to read the now decades old documents and studies and not get the
02:44:28.880 sense that those doctors were on the floor scrambling for roots to answers they themselves put together and reasons
02:44:34.640 for roadblocks they made up where once doctors asked children to undress expect genital arousal and ask about their
02:44:41.680 sexual proclivities. Now some still do that and that's stop. Some
02:44:48.399 clinicians have turned instead using implicit response testing or you know just asking the children and actually
02:44:55.279 listening. In the present day most doctors don't or at least agree on not
02:45:00.720 treating transness. Steps have been taken to depathize the trans condition.
02:45:06.800 But those four old sources are all proponents of some sort of conversion therapy. Even though soccer acknowledges
02:45:13.920 himself in the 1995 book that behavior and psychotherapy haven't been totally
02:45:19.279 proven in its effectiveness, we should not lean on those who have proved to
02:45:24.319 hurt those they claim to help. I'm not going to stay on this topic, but
02:45:29.840 take someone like James Caner who makes himself out to be an expert in transgender issues. He has testified in
02:45:37.520 court about a dozen times regarding transgender health care. Sometimes for minors, so
02:45:44.560 he should be. Well, he's a specialist in pedophilia, but gender identity. No, not in my
02:45:53.040 opinion. And I'm not the only one. And I don't know, man. After reading his 1,000page deposition, he seems like a
02:45:59.680 fraud to me. He doesn't even work with children. There are a bunch of these so-called experts with which I allege
02:46:06.720 people who go out of their way to harm children and adults. They should not be taken seriously. These men and women
02:46:14.880 still are not up with the time, sometimes deliberately so. Yes, some of them pioneered a lot of knowledge when
02:46:20.960 it comes to transgender people. But the thing is, most of these things are not
02:46:27.279 useful anymore. the faults, the principles governing the science they made up. No one but those still stuck in
02:46:35.040 the past, too far up their own ass to accept that the life's work has in the end brought more harm than good are
02:46:42.240 still using the faulty theories laid out by Sucker, Suga, Bradley, Bailey, Blanchard, Green, Money, Ras, and lot.
02:46:51.279 The best thing I can say about them is that if they aren't already dead, they're old. Chapter 13. Munchchowen.
02:46:57.000 No text
02:46:59.760 There were fears more widely that in some instances the family seemed more invested in transition than the young
02:47:06.800 person themselves. Munchen by proxy or as we now call it fictitious disorder
02:47:12.479 imposed on another was first introduced in 1976 by June Valves and John Money. H
02:47:18.800 small world derived from Baron Munchin. A fictitious character based on Heronomous Fre. It doesn't matter. What
02:47:25.279 matters is how it in theory works. June and John coined the term as a way to
02:47:30.319 describe reversible hyposomatropism, dwarfism induced by abuse. The study
02:47:37.120 examines two families who abused their children. And this might be in the case of verbal or physical abuse such as
02:47:44.800 scolding, shouting, hitting or dietary restrictions. And this then manifested itself in the children as a lack of
02:47:52.000 mental ability and started high. When the children in the study were placed in a recovery center, however, all symptoms
02:47:59.040 of abuse subsided. Munchousen syndrome is making yourself
02:48:04.720 believe that you have a disorder to the point where you show signs of the disorder. When it's by proxy, it's
02:48:12.160 inducing a fake disorder in another person, though the symptoms are just
02:48:17.200 similar enough or identical to the real disorder.
02:48:22.479 Mhousen by proxy is child abuse. I've seen this theory pop up here and there.
02:48:28.399 Sometimes it sticks and then it fades out only to resurface again five years later. One study that shared a lot is by
02:48:35.359 Susan Coats. It tried to correlate how mothers of boys with gender identity
02:48:41.920 disorder had a higher chance of showing borderline personality disorder symptoms. In the study, they make it
02:48:48.319 sound like the mothers forced or at least induced cross-dressing in their children.
02:48:55.040 So, is that the case? Does parental negligence or abuse make kids trans? Any
02:49:02.720 trans person should be able to see the irony in this. First of all, borderline
02:49:08.399 personality disorder is not the same as Munchowen by proxy.
02:49:13.520 Second, only 25% of the mothers with children with the GID showed clinical
02:49:20.160 levels of borderline. Not 53% are stated here. That refers to the number of
02:49:26.479 mothers with either depression or borderline. Third, Susan Coats, the
02:49:32.000 author of the study, helped to write the DSM4 section on gender identity disorder. She worked together with Saka
02:49:39.120 to develop the disease models we for some reason still use today. She believed people who are gender
02:49:45.040 non-conforming suffered from a great mental disorder. And then she helped make that belief a reality. Fourth,
02:49:53.279 what's considered borderline today is not the same as borderline from the 80s where the DSM3 was used. Since it was an
02:50:00.000 identity disorder, you'd probably be considered to have borderline personality disorder if you were unsure
02:50:05.760 about your gender. The diagnostic criteria were vague to say the least. Fifth, the study
02:50:14.160 hasn't been replicated. And sixth, it's sexist. Other than coats, people like
02:50:21.920 Kenneth Sucker, Michael Bailey, and Susan and Marcus Evans have all tried to
02:50:27.279 implant the idea of transgenderism coming from the mother.
02:50:32.720 As I said, soccer and coach work together quite a lot. And honestly, in my opinion, it's just sexist
02:50:41.120 Blaming the mother is a psychiatric equivalent of blaming the butler in the murder mystery. It's
02:50:48.160 cliche. It's outdone. It doesn't work. Does fictitious disorder imposed on another exist? Yes. But to vaguely
02:50:55.680 gesture at a phenomenon and then point to all mothers as the culprits, that's extremely harmful. There are real
02:51:02.000 consequences to this. People have been falsely convicted and sent to prison because of the belief that they killed
02:51:08.240 their own child. So how do we know that people being transgender isn't a case of
02:51:13.439 Munchousen by proxy? Well, pretty easily actually. If gender dysphoria is induced by the parents, we
02:51:21.200 should see the symptoms subside pretty quickly when the child moves out. And since the NHS and the DSM5 claims that
02:51:29.840 there's this 80% desistence rate, we'll come back to this, I promise. For now, I
02:51:36.880 only want to look at if we can find any evidence other than just pilot studies
02:51:42.319 that haven't been replicated. The fact is that there is a lot of parents who do abuse their children. Not because of the
02:51:48.800 lack of gender dysphoria, but exactly because of it. Lack of family support for transgender people is the largest
02:51:55.600 predictor of suicidal ideiation. It also leads to poorer mental health, substance
02:52:01.279 abuse, and adverse life outcomes, just like it does in all children. But when
02:52:06.720 parents actually support their children, the kids thrive. Levels of depression
02:52:12.240 are equal to those of sis children. And as we saw before, it's not like psychologists and psychiatrists never
02:52:19.359 use the family as reinforcement, but now we are beginning to understand how a support system
02:52:25.840 supports the child. Wally good insights from the last 50 years,
02:52:30.880 guys. Banger. Anyways, the evidence we looked at our GD earlier and maybe we
02:52:35.920 can put that under the umbrella of Munchousen by proxy. then it's called cyber munch and I love that word and
02:52:42.880 safe to say that was bad bad evidence. The remaining literature on gender
02:52:48.960 dysphoria by proxy is how should I put it dog and the evidence even worse.
02:52:56.240 Other than vague anecdotes, I only found one website that points directly to examples of possible munchousen by proxy
02:53:04.880 and it's by parents of our GD kids and they list two examples. Parents wishes
02:53:10.720 for a child of the other gender. It's hard to believe but there are many such documented cases.
02:53:16.319 Consider the sad story of Nancy Fhelst who was legally euthanized in Belgium after a botched sex change operation.
02:53:23.359 Her parents hated and rejected her because she was a girl and they wanted another boy. So, she tried to become a
02:53:29.279 boy and when it didn't work, she took her life. Okay, that's not the whole story. Nathan Fels was euthanized in
02:53:36.640 Belgium because of unbearable psychological suffering. Assigned female at birth and born Nancy, Nathan's mother
02:53:44.160 always wanted a boy. But Nathan had friends who loved and accepted him, who
02:53:49.200 were there and who tried to understand. His brothers abused him and his mother
02:53:55.920 hated him. She was so ugly. Her death doesn't affect me. I feel no sorrow, no doubt,
02:54:02.240 and no anger. We have never had a bond between us. Therefore, it couldn't be
02:54:07.279 broken. I can recommend the documentary called Free as a Bird, which was made
02:54:12.399 about Nathan. Originally, it was only meant to shed light on the journey of
02:54:17.600 Nathan's transition.
02:54:24.540 [Music]
02:54:40.050 [Music]
02:54:47.600 Nathan never regretted his gender affirming surgeries, But he wasn't satisfied either. So when Nathan told
02:54:55.040 the director of his plans to die, the focus shifted to the last week of his
02:55:00.160 life. Nathan didn't try to become a boy. He was 44 years old and died as a man.
02:55:08.880 That parents of our GD kids dead names and misgenders him. I don't care who you
02:55:14.960 are. I don't care what you think. If you choose to disrespect a man who decided
02:55:20.560 to euthanize himself because he never felt loved, felt enough, felt accepted,
02:55:27.439 to not acknowledge that he had power over his life, his gender, and his name.
02:55:32.880 To then go out of your way to hand over that power to his abusers, the people who didn't want him, but who named him.
02:55:39.760 It's ghoulish. I don't even care if it was the abuse that led him to change his gender. I
02:55:46.560 don't care. Nathan said he felt more comfortable as a man. He chose to live
02:55:52.560 like a man and he chose to die like a man. This isn't the own that parents of
02:55:57.920 RGD kids thinks it is. It's just a sad sad story. Next one.
02:56:04.800 Next one's a doozy. Okay. The mother of a 5-year-old girl sent an email to the divorced father announcing that Jay was
02:56:11.680 transgender and would from then on be considered a boy, wear boy clothing, and be called bridge. Also, that she would
02:56:18.080 begin transitioning Jay from girl to boy, and she had discussed this with Jay's school. The mother was found by
02:56:24.720 the courts to be forcing this on the child. Okay. Horrible. Anyway, let's look at the court
02:56:30.880 documents, shall we? I'm just going to call them mom, dad, and child. Mom and
02:56:36.720 dad were married twice. During their second marriage, she got pregnant and gave birth in 2005 to see their child as
02:56:45.520 the parents got their second and final separation in 2006. Dad didn't appear at the hearing regarding custody and
02:56:51.920 therefore mom got sole custody over the child. The next 5 years comes and goes
02:56:57.600 and in 2011 mom sends dad an email telling him their child is trans. All
02:57:03.439 right, so stories match so far. Dad calls mom into family court. In
02:57:09.439 court, dad tells how the child was with him for five weeks during summer break,
02:57:14.560 and he didn't notice any signs of gender dysphoria. His sister testifies a
02:57:19.680 similar story. Happy girl, happy world, fine with wearing girls clothes, but not
02:57:25.040 a girly girl. The same story is heard from dad's parents. girls who didn't
02:57:30.319 like freely clothes, but a girl nonetheless. The court appoints a doctor to make a clinical evaluation of the
02:57:36.319 parents. The doctor explains how dad has ADHD, but otherwise nothing major. Mom,
02:57:42.000 on the other hand, shows signs of anorexia, bulimia, and bipolar disorder.
02:57:47.439 According to mom, these are all under control. The doctor didn't find any support for the diagnosis of gender
02:57:53.760 identity disorder for the child and that while mom didn't meet the criteria for
02:57:59.279 munchousen by proxy, she did have striking similarities with that diagnosis. Then mom herself testifies.
02:58:06.399 She explains how dad didn't help during pregnancy and childirth and how he had a drug and alcohol problem. One night he
02:58:13.279 came home, shouted at the crying child and shook the crib it was laying in. Mom
02:58:18.800 took the baby and sought rescue with her friends where she stayed for more than half a year. She found an apartment but
02:58:25.040 when she was laid off of her work, she was forced to move back to her parents. And uh the dad didn't see the child
02:58:32.240 during this time even though he was invited. The mom could not for the life of her get her child to wear girls
02:58:37.760 clothes. So her parents recommended her to go to an art therapist they knew. Uh since the child repeatedly stated how
02:58:45.040 they wanted to be a boy, the therapist caught the inclination that it might be a matter of gender identity disorder.
02:58:52.880 However, since she didn't have experience in the field, she referred mom to a psychologist. You see, the idea
02:58:59.200 that the child was transgender didn't happen overnight. The psychologist saw
02:59:05.359 the child five times and recommended affirming the child's gender without trying to push anything.
02:59:11.920 It was the psychologist's professional opinion that the child should start school as a boy, why they wrote a letter
02:59:18.560 to the school explaining the situation. The mom was so uncertain that she went to get a third and fourth opinion on her
02:59:26.000 child's well-being. The mom states how she really didn't understand the diagnosis of gender identity disorder,
02:59:32.160 thinking that her child was just going through a tomboy phase. She wanted to do what was best for her child with the
02:59:37.600 recommendations given to her by medical professionals. So she went on to see a
02:59:43.120 specialist with more than 30 years in the field of transgender studies. He sees the child and writes a report
02:59:49.520 stating that yes, in fact, the child does show signs of gender identity disorder. But the mom lost the case. The
02:59:56.720 court didn't believe that she had her child's best interest at heart. And they found it concerning that she so quickly
03:00:02.560 accepted the diagnosis of such a rare disorder without first questioning the
03:00:08.080 professionals methodology. The court evaluated that mom's actions to continue to get opinions from clinicians clearly
03:00:15.200 do not reflect the actions of a mother distraught over her child being diagnosed with gender identity disorder.
03:00:20.479 She wasn't found to be forcing her child to be transgender. However, they even admit that the child might be or will in
03:00:27.920 the future be transgender and do not believe that mom induced munchen by
03:00:33.200 proxy. Oh well. Hey, I'm not a lawyer and I'm just
03:00:40.160 reading a decades old document. I have no idea whether this was the right
03:00:45.279 choice. I don't know these people. I don't know where they are today. So, I
03:00:50.720 can't really answer if it was the right choice. Except
03:00:57.520 Except I did find something. I don't know how the American justice system works. So, all of this is allegedly
03:01:04.640 okay. I just want to be able to pay my rent. At some point, I traced the father back to an old social media profile and
03:01:11.120 I'm not even sure I'm going to post sources for this just to in respect of privacy for the child preferably. I am a
03:01:19.680 Christian conservative. In 2016, I sat ties with a small liberal art college in my former community of I could no longer
03:01:27.279 continue relationships with godless men, beta males who judge others based upon their religious convictions and
03:01:33.920 political ideologies. Hm. So, uh, having found this, I dug
03:01:40.560 further. I found his name on some court hearings.
03:01:46.399 I cross referenced pictures, dates, and ages. And sure enough, it matches, at
03:01:53.200 least as far as I know. In 2020, during the Black Lives Matter protests after George Floyd's murder, yeah, this is
03:02:00.800 really happening. He tries to drive his car through the crowd of protesters only
03:02:05.840 to be stopped by police officers. He then propels a can of bare maze pepper
03:02:11.040 spray into the crowd, wounding three protesters and five police officers on the way. One of the protesters was
03:02:18.880 reportedly taken to the hospital as a result of the injury. He's charged with
03:02:23.920 three accounts of fourthderee assault and five accounts of third degree. He
03:02:29.760 pleads guilty. So, I find another report dating 2 years after the original incident.
03:02:35.920 The dad won't serve jail time. It says in the article, he explains that this
03:02:41.040 was an act of self-defense, that a protester reached into his car and then
03:02:46.160 he sprays the person. One of the victims, noting her six years in practice as defense attorney, said that
03:02:52.640 she has never seen anybody that she believed to be a felon more than D. She
03:02:58.800 called him a dangerous human being and said that he should not own weapons. Oh, the American criminal injustice system.
03:03:06.640 Oh, the sorry father. Oh, the righteous concerns of anti-trans organizations.
03:03:13.040 The mom, on the other hand, went on to work to help transgender people. See what I mean?
03:03:20.720 Kind of sexist. I do have a somewhat dumb hypothesis, though. Hear me out. uh
03:03:27.200 it has been pretty well established that it's usually the mother of the child who goes with a kid to see a physician,
03:03:33.760 psychologist, psychiatrist. When looking at the case studies from the '9s, 80s and 70s, the fathers in the families
03:03:40.560 were often absent or extremely unhelpful with raising the child. So maybe because
03:03:48.000 it's often the mother who shows concern, she also gets the blame.
03:03:53.439 Maybe these women or most of them at least were actually just concerned for their children and just wanted the child
03:04:00.560 to be happy. Whether that meant therapy or crossdressing or another gender. Even
03:04:06.479 several decades back when times should be different, they still defended their children and wanted only a good life for
03:04:13.600 them. Whatever that looked like.
03:04:18.880 I have one more story I want to tell. It's not nice, but I think it's worth
03:04:25.120 hearing. And since it's being used against trans people, I also think it's
03:04:31.359 worth telling. Chapter 14, John Money.
03:04:32.000 No text
03:04:36.800 Serious content warning on this one. It's the mid1 1960s. President John F.
03:04:42.000 Kennedy was assassinated 2 years prior, and the Cold War has gone from a slow simmer to a brawling boil. Cuba is
03:04:49.120 currently undergoing negotiations with the USSR, partially a result of a failed invasion by pigs, an embargo, and a
03:04:56.479 liberal headwind. Just as Juan Marachal hits John Rosebro in the head with a
03:05:01.680 bat, a pair of twins are born500 miles northeast in Winnipeg, Canada. Two boys
03:05:07.359 to be specific. They were happy and healthy, except for one thing. 6 months
03:05:13.439 after birth, the parents noticed that both boys were suffering from fimosis, a
03:05:19.600 condition where the foreskin is restrictive to the point of pain and stops urination.
03:05:25.920 The boys had to get circumcised. Disregarding ethics, circumcision is usually a pretty minor operation.
03:05:32.960 Following the referral from a doctor, the two infants were brought to a surgeon, but everything didn't go as
03:05:39.279 planned. Maybe it was the fault of the doctor. Maybe it was a malfunction. The
03:05:44.640 mother of the two children were called in as the surgeon explained how something had gone wrong.
03:05:50.960 And then the doctor said there has been a slight accident. Uh
03:05:57.439 the penis has been burnt off from circumcision.
03:06:03.359 Instead of using the usual gunko clamp or just a simple scalpel, the method had
03:06:09.520 been electrocorderization, a needle burns through the skin and as
03:06:15.359 the heat automatically closes off the blood vessels. Bleeding is minimized.
03:06:22.720 But instead of just torching the tip, the whole penis was blackened, burned,
03:06:29.359 and broke off in pieces. Parallel to this, John Money was
03:06:35.760 featuring in the TV. Quickwitted and charming, he showed how he and the team
03:06:41.439 from the John Hopkins Hospital had been able to transform a man to a woman.
03:06:48.560 Dr. Money, it's still a pretty drastic procedure, isn't it? Perhaps the best way to understand it is
03:06:55.279 that it seems no more drastic to them than circumcision. Maybe there was hope for the child if he was able to be
03:07:01.680 raised as a girl. After all, a boy without a penis seemed hopeless.
03:07:07.600 The transsexual certainly made an impact. Here's our
03:07:12.640 answer. Here's our salvation. Here's our hope. So, the parents called in and John Money
03:07:18.240 told them to come immediately. [Music] Money was a proponent of gender
03:07:25.040 neutrality, a theory stating that basically all gendered behavior is
03:07:30.479 learned and not something innate to the physical body. It can be altered and
03:07:35.920 coaxed in the first few years of childhood. All nurture, no nature, you might say.
03:07:42.319 If it was simply a matter of nurture, I could nurture my child into being
03:07:48.720 feminine. And fun fact, Kenneet Sucker seems to believe that gender can be altered before the age of 10. Wow.
03:07:57.840 Funny fact. But even though money believed and wrote about his theory, he
03:08:03.040 never actually had the chance to prove it. And now the perfect trial stood before him in the form of twins, both
03:08:10.399 boys. Yet one was to be raised as a girl. The boy was neutered, having his
03:08:15.840 testicles removed, and then it was stressed to the parents that he was never to know about this. Instead, they
03:08:22.319 should raise him as a girl, giving him girly things, using a nude name, and making him engage in girly behavior.
03:08:31.040 To me, it seems that the parents only wanted what was best for their children, whatever that might look like. They put
03:08:38.720 their trust in the doctor, and I wonder if you wouldn't do the same. For now, I'll refer to the child as a girl or by
03:08:46.000 the name of Joanne and the twin as boy or John just to make it easy to
03:08:51.760 understand. Those were also the names they were known as for many years during the study. To enforce the stereotypes of
03:08:58.080 girl and boy, the twins were given different toys and different things to do with their parents. When they were
03:09:04.319 around 5 years old, the father was shaving and John joined in to mimic his
03:09:09.600 dad. Joanne on the other hand was told to put on makeup and lipstick with her mother.
03:09:17.120 You know, reinforce gender stereotypes, right? Well, the thing is Joanne
03:09:23.200 refused. She wanted to shave as well. Moreover, when Joanne was brought a
03:09:30.399 dress, she would rip it off and didn't want to put it on at all.
03:09:35.920 No, she wanted to do the things that boys do.
03:09:41.040 This is from an article by Milton Diamond interviewing Joanne in
03:09:46.720 adulthood. There were little things from early on. I began to see how different I felt and was from what I was supposed to
03:09:53.600 be, but I didn't know what it meant. I thought I was a freak or something. I looked at myself and said, "I don't like
03:09:59.680 this type of clothing. I don't like the types of toys I was always being given. I like hanging around with the guys and
03:10:05.760 climbing trees and stuff like that. And girls don't like any of that stuff. But John Money didn't give up. In his mind,
03:10:12.399 it should absolutely be possible to coax a child to be a certain gender. And
03:10:19.200 seriously, content warning, it's really getting bad now. Okay. To reinforce the gender stereotypes, the two children
03:10:25.279 were forced to do sexual rehearsals. Joanne was told to go down on all fours
03:10:31.359 where John, her twin brother, would come up behind her and be instructed to thrust with his crutch against her.
03:10:38.720 Joanne was ordered to spread his legs with his brother on top and they were 60 years old at this time. On at least one
03:10:45.279 occasion, Money took pictures of them doing this. Money was aggressive and
03:10:50.720 forced them both to strip to do genital inspections on each other. I want to
03:10:57.439 make you understand what I'm getting at. Now, take your clothes off. No.
03:11:04.240 Take your clothes off now. His argument was that sexual behavior should
03:11:11.840 be learned on top of all the other stuff to really complete the socialization.
03:11:18.240 Despite the absence of a penis, Joanne often tried to stand to urinate. Joanne persisted to such an extent that at
03:11:25.520 school she was caught standing to urinate in the girl's bathroom sufficiently often that the other girls
03:11:31.120 refused to allow her entrance. Mother recalls the other girls threatening to kill her if she persisted. Joanne was
03:11:38.080 forcibly put on feminizing hormones, estrogen, from the age of 12. Several
03:11:43.600 times he tried to throw away his medicine, but he was ultimately made to go through a puberty he never wished
03:11:50.640 for. The unwanted puberty brought with it the development of breasts, things he didn't
03:11:57.439 want, so he wouldn't wear a bra. In discussing his breast development with
03:12:02.640 his endocrinologist, he confessed, "I suspected I was a boy since the second grade." Finally, at the age of 14,
03:12:10.240 Joanne retransitioned to John, but for the first time, it was by his own will.
03:12:15.760 John was given male hormone therapy and grew into not just a normal boy, but a
03:12:20.960 handsome man, especially with the help of gender affirming surgeries in the form of a double masectomy and a
03:12:26.560 phaloplasty. As an adult, John was asked, "Why not accept being a female rather than fighting it?" His answer was
03:12:32.800 simple. Basically, he wanted to please his parents and plate the doctor, so he often went along. But doing so didn't
03:12:39.840 feel right, and the confusion between his feelings and theirs he saw was mentally devastating and would lead to
03:12:45.279 suicide if he were forced to continue. The most often voiced and deeply felt emotion expressed by John was always
03:12:52.800 feeling different from what was expected or desired by others. Doctor said, "It's
03:12:58.800 going to be tough. You're going to be picked on. You're going to be very alone. You're not going to find anybody
03:13:04.160 unless you have vaginal surgery and live as a female." And I thought to myself, you know, I wasn't very old at the time,
03:13:10.160 but it dawned on me that these people got to be pretty shallow if that's the only thing they think I've got going for
03:13:15.680 me. that the only reason why people get married and have children and have a productive life is because of what they
03:13:22.319 have between their legs. If that's all they think of me, that they justify my worth by what I have between my legs,
03:13:29.120 then I got to be a complete loser. The boy grew up and found a loving wife, adopting her three children in the
03:13:35.200 process. His former student, Richard Green, argues that Dr. Money did the best he could in an era when we knew less. with
03:13:43.200 the benefit of hindsight based on what we knew at the time about how you become male or female or boy or a girl
03:13:50.319 with the advantage of hindsight knowing the difficulties to say the least of creating a penis surgically
03:13:58.640 the decision that John Money made at the time was the correct one and I would have made the same one at that time
03:14:04.640 then around 35 years after the incident with the botched circumcision his
03:14:09.840 brother died to suicide 2 years Later, John got divorced and 2 days after the
03:14:16.479 divorce, he committed suicide as well. We don't know exactly why. We can't ask
03:14:24.319 him, but I'd like to quote Judith Butler's postcript to that chapter on
03:14:29.600 this incident in undoing gender. The norms governing what it is to be a
03:14:35.920 worthy, recognizable, and sustainable human life clearly did not support his
03:14:41.200 life in any continuous or solid way. A life for him was always a wager, an
03:14:47.520 risk, a courageous and fragile accomplishment. Can I come to a satisfying conclusion on
03:14:53.680 this story? No. I didn't live his life and I can never understand. All I've
03:14:59.680 seen are remnants of a distant life in the form of black pixels on a brightly lit computer screen making up a few
03:15:06.880 pages on an outdated website. Then why do I think this is an important
03:15:12.160 story to tell? Well, the story has gotten a lot of attraction from certain
03:15:17.279 people just asking questions about the history of mainstream gender theory as
03:15:22.560 if this was something woke to suppress. But no, Bucko, no honey. It's pretty
03:15:29.600 wellnown how horrible much of queer history actually is. The only reason they point to this story is to be able
03:15:36.319 to say, "Oh, see, transgenderism shouldn't be practiced. It doesn't work.
03:15:41.920 Sex is immutable." But they don't notice the forest for the trees. Because even though this story is
03:15:49.840 wellknown and widely cited in history in different literature on gender, I mean
03:15:56.000 even in a Norwegian Manuel I read just for fun. It's far
03:16:02.399 from rare. It's not about the immutability of sex and the evils of one particular doctor. It's also about the
03:16:09.680 thousands of trans people experiencing the very same thing this very day. It's
03:16:15.279 not about forcing a child to be trans. It's about forcing a child to be something they're not.
03:16:24.560 It's incredibly ironic to use this story of John, Joanne, then John again as an
03:16:30.720 example of the evils of trans ideology. Those people are either willfully lying
03:16:36.399 or just painfully dreadfully stupid.
03:16:41.600 I I I didn't like dressing like her girl. I didn't like behaving like a girl. I didn't like acting like a girl.
03:16:48.399 I'm not a professor or anything, but you, you know, you don't wake up one morning deciding that you're a boy or a
03:16:53.520 girl. You just know. Chapter 15, the assistance part two.
03:16:55.000 No text
03:17:01.359 Thanks for sticking with me through that small detail. Only took what an hour and 15 minutes. You remember that this was
03:17:07.840 about one paragraph from one source from one claim from time to think. How
03:17:15.040 history has shown that these children aren't really trans but gay.
03:17:21.040 Hannah Barnes gave three sources for the high desistance rates. The first source
03:17:26.399 was from England's National Health Service which relies heavily on old studies. the studies in which the
03:17:33.600 children are coerced, ridiculed, and beaten into viewing their experience as a delusion. The second source was the
03:17:41.600 fifth edition of the DSM, which is also based on the very same old studies and
03:17:47.520 headed by a person dubbed enemy number one to transgenders, Kenneet Tucker, who
03:17:53.279 was often the one responsible for the studies. The third and final source is a
03:18:00.319 critique of methodological flaws of some of the newer studies.
03:18:05.840 No, that's wrong because the source that Barance links to is not the actual critique, but instead a reply to the
03:18:13.760 critique. And can you guess who wrote the reply?
03:18:18.880 Yeah, it's it's Kenneth Tucker. Of course it is. Let me make this very clear. When you hear anyone talking
03:18:25.920 about high dransition or desistance rates, they point to credible sources
03:18:31.920 like the National Health Service or the DSM, but they obviously haven't read any
03:18:37.200 further. Otherwise, they would stumble upon decades and decades of child abuse,
03:18:42.239 of studies ranking how attractive. Researchers find boys and girls and
03:18:47.520 sexual abuse victims of children and adults dead because of the treatment
03:18:53.120 they went through. All in the name of science, in the name of normal or
03:18:58.800 deviant, in the name of trying and failing to prove that being trans is bad
03:19:05.680 actually. But this information is cloaked and laundered through credible sources which people use to their
03:19:11.600 advantage to sell a story of trans inferiority. I do not care if they
03:19:16.880 didn't know then they shouldn't gamble with the lives of trans people.
03:19:22.880 And when Barnes tries to cover her basis, oh, these studies are methodologically flawed, she then
03:19:28.479 chooses not to link to the actual critique against the studies, but instead to a reply to the critique,
03:19:34.800 which argues for the studies made by Kenneth Sucker, a person who was fired from his own clinic, a clinic which in
03:19:41.600 2015 still asked kids what made them sexually excited, where one-way mirrors were the norm, and where they took
03:19:47.680 pictures of children without their consent and shared them with colleagues. [Music]
03:19:59.180 [Music] But whoops. All my arguments would be stupid and invalid if the 80% desistant
03:20:07.120 statistic was actually true. In a little bit, I'm going to give you a bunch of sources against the 80% desistence
03:20:13.760 narrative. But flinging out citations doesn't really help if we don't first understand that this way of thinking is
03:20:20.640 wrong. It's playing into the narrative. It's accepting the premise that
03:20:25.920 transness is even something that's possible to desist from. So, let's take
03:20:31.120 a look at the actual critique on follow-up studies written by New Hook, Pine, Holmes, Tosh, and Picket. They
03:20:37.760 take four often cited studies and ask, "Hey, should this be the backbone of
03:20:43.439 what is taught, of what is practiced?" The critique is mostly interested in
03:20:49.760 follow-up studies. Temple New Hook Adal chooses specifically not to include the earlier studies on transsexualism from
03:20:56.000 the 70s and 80s and '90s, even though, as I've shown, they are still used as
03:21:01.279 evidence. Instead, New Hook takes what was at the time of the critique four
03:21:06.560 recent widely cited studies so people can't just dismiss it as it was a different time.
03:21:13.040 Those four studies are by Drummond Adel 2008, Valian Adidel 2008, Stinma Adidel
03:21:20.000 2011 and Stinsma Adel 2013. The four studies specifically look at the
03:21:25.520 desistance rates of transgender adolesccents with 37, 77, 53 and 127
03:21:31.840 subjects respectively. Essentially, they take a measure of how many people with gender dysphoria there are at one point
03:21:37.840 in time and then several years later they contact the participants and measure again for gender identity
03:21:44.080 disorder to compare the two numbers. First, hm let me ask you a question. We
03:21:50.640 want to look at how many adolescence go on to transition and how many do not.
03:21:56.560 Would it be fair to include children who are not over the clinical levels of
03:22:01.680 gender dysphoria in that data? I mean, we're looking at so-called desistant statistics, which kind of implies that
03:22:08.640 the children, at least at one point, identified as a gender not assigned at birth. Well, 40% of the children from
03:22:16.399 Drummond El's research study did not qualify to be clinically diagnosed with
03:22:21.840 a gender identity disorder. They might have shown gender non-ongruent behavior.
03:22:27.920 Yes, but not to a point where they exceeded the diagnostic criteria.
03:22:33.120 They were still used in the data. It's the same story with Valian Nidal from
03:22:38.399 2008 and students metal from 2013 where 25% and 37% respectively did not meet
03:22:45.520 diagnostic criteria. That's 81 out of the combined 294 participants. Another
03:22:52.479 problem is the aggregated 25% of children who did not attend the follow-up. All of these are reported as
03:22:59.760 desisters. Finally, none of the children were formally diagnosed with gender
03:23:05.520 dysphoria. Let me just repeat, none of the children were formally diagnosed with gender
03:23:12.239 dysphoria. This is because all of the studies relied on either the DSM3, the DSM3R, the DSM4, or a mix of them. But
03:23:20.239 the diagnosis of gender dysphoria was only added in the DSM5 which came out in 2013. So not only were none of the
03:23:27.359 children diagnosed with gender dysphoria, but 27% were sub threshold
03:23:32.720 for gender identity disorder. Yet they are still referenced as reliable data for the 80% desistence rate for gender
03:23:40.560 dysphoria. Potato potato, you might say. Gender dysphoria, gender identity disorder.
03:23:46.560 Does it even matter? uh well to be eligible for a diagnosis of gender
03:23:51.600 identity disorder. The child didn't need to have a desire to be another gender.
03:23:56.800 They did not need to experience gender dysphoria to be diagnosed with gender identity disorder. It is more difficult
03:24:03.760 to fulfill the criteria for the DSM5 diagnosis than to fulfill the diagnosis
03:24:09.200 criteria for the DSM4 which itself is more difficult to
03:24:14.239 fulfill than the DSM3R diagnosis. That paper is the reason I've been hesitant
03:24:19.680 to use the words persistence, desistence, and dransition. As new hook states, the dominant framework for
03:24:27.040 understanding variations of childhood gender is rooted in the field of criminology where desistence is defined
03:24:33.840 as the sessation of offending or other antisocial behavior. That means that
03:24:38.880 when you say someone desisted from being trans, you imply that transess is deviant and now they've returned to
03:24:47.040 normal. Hm. But describing it as desistance isn't just about semantics. It has
03:24:54.399 another implication as well. It also means that these studies are more successful if there are fewer trans
03:25:01.359 people by the end. This lies at the very center of the problem with ROGD. All of
03:25:06.880 the anti-trans talking points and the rot I found within the research that being trans is bad. It's it's
03:25:14.560 transphobia, but it's also called cisgender supremacy or cis sexism.
03:25:20.239 New hook at Al makes another interesting and slightly radical point. If you at
03:25:25.680 any point in life say that you are sis, even if you've questioned your gender or been trans, this is seen as returning to
03:25:33.359 the optimal stable state. If you're trans, on the other hand, you need to be
03:25:39.040 absolutely unwavering in your identity. You are expected to show no signs of
03:25:44.479 uncertainty. If you're not completely stable in your gender, you'll never be taken seriously. Then it's being
03:25:50.160 delusional about a delusion. Mad. Not only will you not be helped,
03:25:55.920 but you might be used as a token or as an argument for why other transgender or queer people are deviant.
03:26:03.439 This is a core part of cis sexism or cisgender privilege. Like, try to look up transroken arm
03:26:10.640 syndrome. It's wrong. Of course, your gender evolves alongside you.
03:26:17.600 Anyways, these studies are not the only ones with methodological flaws. It's
03:26:23.200 normal, even expected, to inflate the distance reports that makes the study
03:26:28.800 more successful. Remember, on a now longforgotten website, I found an article that examines Sucker's research
03:26:34.640 and compares it to a 2002 reply, much like the critique from Temple New Hook.
03:26:40.239 To arrive at the conclusion that the majority, 76% of gender referred
03:26:45.279 children, including those with a diagnosis of GD, expressed cross- sex wishes, soccer aggregated the categories
03:26:51.680 once in a while and very rarely together with frequently/ everyday. A more
03:26:57.279 diagnostically relevant interpretation of Sucker's table, leads to the conclusion that the minority, 23% of the
03:27:04.000 boys and girls in his sample expressed what could be considered repeated cross- sex wishes indicative of strong and
03:27:11.760 persistent crossgender identification. Cross-ex wishes that are expressed once in a while or very rarely are arguably
03:27:20.479 not indicative of strong and persistent crossgender identification. Barn's whole
03:27:25.760 book concerns itself with transition might be good for some, but it's bad for
03:27:31.040 most. And since we aren't hearing nearly enough bad stories from people who dransition, it can only mean that we
03:27:38.000 will see a flood of them in the future. The narrative is based on the idea that
03:27:43.040 it's better to be cisgender than being transgender. And the whole argument is based on these statistics that only 3 to
03:27:50.000 20% of people with gender dysphoria in childhood are actually trans. that we
03:27:55.200 effectively will see 80% of trans people in the future dransitioning.
03:28:01.840 All the other theories, rapid onset gender dysphoria, autism, vulnerable
03:28:06.960 children, autogginia, puberty blockers, they're all invented to predict a nasty
03:28:12.080 transition movement. But there is no nasty transition movement.
03:28:17.520 This is also made up. Trans people don't exist. If they're trans women, it's only
03:28:24.239 extreme edge cases of autotosexual wannabe women. If they're trans men,
03:28:29.439 it's because of internalized misogyny. If people aren't trans because of the
03:28:35.120 oppression of women, it's a mental disorder, a delusion and a perversion,
03:28:40.880 and we should treat it. If it's not a mental disorder, it's caused by other
03:28:46.080 mental disorders, and we should treat those. If we can't, we should make it as hard as possible to transition. So, we
03:28:53.840 make sure that they aren't faking it. In any case, all children fake it. They
03:28:59.840 don't know any better. They shouldn't be allowed to transition. If they transition, it's only because of the
03:29:05.600 drugs. If it's not the drugs, it's a social contagion. If it's not a contagion, it's just mad. They shouldn't
03:29:11.680 transition because transitioning is bad. They'll regret it. If they don't regret
03:29:16.720 it, they'll kill themselves. [Music] Trans people shouldn't exist. Don't you
03:29:23.279 get it? Society hates trans people. Couldn't be me. I would march with you if you
03:29:30.560 weren't discriminated against. I respect their pronouns in my anti-trans book. Look at how woke I am. Look at me, the
03:29:38.560 feminist. I said earlier that being transphobic doesn't mean that you hate trans people.
03:29:45.200 just that you don't really think they exist or that it's preferable to be cisgender.
03:29:51.279 Then I said that this way of thinking is rarely any better than actually hating trans people. That's because not
03:29:59.040 believing that trans people exist is dehumanizing them. It's taking away
03:30:04.080 their agency, effectively taking away their life.
03:30:09.600 Some people really hate trans people. Even those who don't can't mourn someone
03:30:14.720 they don't believe exists. You know, I really, really despise
03:30:20.160 Okam's race arguments, especially the people who make them. But come on, isn't
03:30:25.600 it easier to just accept that trans people exist? That trans people can be funny, boring, beautiful, ugly, cringe,
03:30:31.760 and charming. That they're normal people just like you and me. That they have the capacity for good and bad and beyond
03:30:40.239 just like everyone else.
03:30:45.680 For all the resources devoted to studying these children, we have much more to learn by listening to them.
03:30:53.000 No text
03:30:53.680 Chapter 16, desistence, part three. I've shown the unreliable data from the
03:31:00.080 desistance statistics that in 80% of cases, gender dysphoria doesn't continue
03:31:06.479 into adolescence. I don't like the conflation of those statistics with people who dransition. Those with gender
03:31:13.120 dysphoria who do not go on to transition should not be correlated with those who
03:31:18.160 do transition. I mean, I think those two data points should be separated and then
03:31:24.720 it's possible to look into false positives on those who transition and
03:31:29.760 false negatives on those who do not. I also fundamentally disagree with the
03:31:35.439 whole desistance model. For clarity, I'll still use the word drt transansition for those who socially or
03:31:41.439 medically transitioned to later retransition to their original assigned gender. But I think the word
03:31:47.760 retransition would actually be more accurate. So let's take a look at some of the evidence we have right now.
03:31:54.479 What's the percentage of people who transition and subsequently dransition?
03:31:59.920 Honestly, we don't entirely know, but we have a
03:32:05.120 pretty good idea. The thing is the desistance rate from the studies that Temple New Hook Adal mentioned isn't
03:32:10.399 actually that crazy if we think in terms of all people referred to gender identity clinics. Finally, I can site
03:32:17.439 that goddamn book as a single good source. 40 to 45% of young people seen by kids are referred for puberty
03:32:23.840 blockers. This means this means that not everyone referred to the clinic ends up
03:32:29.600 with a formal diagnosis or prescription. As I talked about earlier, not all
03:32:34.880 people who experience gender dysphoria are trans. So, of the whole population,
03:32:40.160 a certain percentage experience gender dysphoria. A part of that percentage is trans. And what's more, only a part of
03:32:48.239 trans people manages to get through the system to get puberty blockers. But practically all those administered
03:32:54.160 puberty blockers will end up getting hormone replacement therapy. Why?
03:32:59.760 Because the extensive rigorous testing to determine the authenticity of dysphoria means that practically no
03:33:06.560 false positives exist. Almost no sis people go through the whole medical
03:33:12.000 transition from start to end. In almost all other scenarios, it would be a
03:33:17.600 rounding error. who would stay on waiting lists for years on end, face
03:33:22.720 bigotry and rejection from both medical professionals and society as a whole, then go through several layers of
03:33:29.520 therapy examinations, double, triple, or quadruple sourced acceptance with even
03:33:35.279 further clinical trials. On top of that, if they weren't transgender, very, very,
03:33:41.680 very few. It's so hard to get help with transgender issues that it
03:33:48.960 Maybe should be easier. H maybe
03:33:55.120 maybe society values the lives of cisgender people so much higher than the lives of transgender people that we are
03:34:02.080 willing to stop hundreds of people from transitioning just to make sure that one cisgender person doesn't mistakenly have
03:34:10.080 to go through the same thing that all transgender people do. that a person just like you and me can be swallowed up
03:34:16.160 in a system that labels them a secondass citizen and a sick freak. Someone who's
03:34:21.520 confronted every day with how they're wrong. How we shouldn't let children be near them. How we should intervene and
03:34:28.399 do everything within our power to stop them, to poke and prod and belittle, to
03:34:34.720 design ideologies only meant to exclude them. And this is only wrong if they
03:34:42.319 happen to be what is deemed normal by the exact same system.
03:34:48.800 If it isn't clear, I'm not against people who choose to dransition or retransition for whatever reason.
03:34:55.200 There's no need to make this a dilemma. There's no right baby to throw into the orphan crushing machine.
03:35:02.800 Why do we have an orphan crushing machine? Look, it's easy to get puberty blockers if you're a sis child who
03:35:09.120 enters puberty too early. Long acting analoges of G&H have been the gold standard treatment of central precocious
03:35:15.840 puberty worldwide and have an enviable track record of safety and efficacy. Sis children can get puberty blockers even
03:35:22.080 under 6 years old, but we want to rule it out for trans people under the age of 18 where they already have gone through
03:35:29.840 puberty. It's easy to get testosterone if you are an old man and your body no longer produces it. According to this
03:35:36.479 paper, 3.75% of all men over the age of 60 were receiving hormone replacement
03:35:42.319 therapy in 2011 in the US. But it has been shown several times how many of the men didn't even meet the criteria for
03:35:49.600 hypogonatism, low testosterone. Yet, they were still prescribed TRT. And what's more, it's
03:35:56.560 been estimated that 25% of men of all ages didn't get their testosterone
03:36:02.000 levels checked before their prescription. And half of those didn't even get it checked after. They were
03:36:08.319 just able to ask and receive. It's easy to get breast reduction surgery if
03:36:13.439 you're a sis woman. There were 71,000 cases of breast reduction surgery in the US in 2022. Even if you're a sis woman
03:36:21.120 under 20, it's relatively easy to get breast implants or breast reduction. In
03:36:26.160 2022, there were 2,492 and 5,996 cases of implants and reduction,
03:36:32.800 respectively. It's easy to get breast removal if you're a boy on a 20 with gynecomastia.
03:36:38.560 The list goes on. Put that into perspective. Less than,400 people with a gender dysphoria diagnosis from ages 6
03:36:44.800 to 17 went on puberty bloggers in 2022. 282 got double masectomies in the ages
03:36:51.520 13 to 17. Oh, but that's so young. Sue
03:36:56.960 Evans had managed to remove herself from thinking too much about git for more than a decade. But learning what was
03:37:02.479 happening in the United States where children as young as 13 were receiving double masectomies, she felt there had
03:37:08.239 to be some kind of action. Let me drill this point home. Yes, it's young. The
03:37:15.200 source for Susan's outrage were that, wait for it, two 13year-olds got top
03:37:21.279 surgery, which both of them wanted. 100% of all respondents in the study affirmed
03:37:28.080 that it was a good decision to undergo chest reconstruction. 13 is not the usual age for top surgery. In the US,
03:37:35.600 gender affirming surgery is specifically prohibited and the ages where you can
03:37:40.880 get it varies depending on the state. In the future, it might even get prohibited
03:37:46.000 for adults. Sorry, but isn't that crazy that a cis child can get breast
03:37:52.239 implants, but a trans child can't even get puberty blockers? Anyways, though no
03:37:57.760 definitive answers exist yet, several studies have been made on dransition rates. But before I go into this, I want
03:38:06.960 to say that it's not unusual for people to dransition and it shouldn't be seen as some definitive measure of
03:38:13.600 effectiveness. Look, this study has more than 17,000 respondents who had pursued gender affirmation. Of these, 13% had a
03:38:21.600 history of dransitioning. When asked why, 82% cited at least one external factor and 16% decided at least one
03:38:29.359 internal factor. What's the external factors you ask? Oh, you know, trouble
03:38:36.000 getting a job, 29%, pressure from family, 26%. Or spouse, 18%. From
03:38:41.680 parents, 36%. Or because of harassment, 31%. Or that is simply too hard. Oh, I
03:38:49.439 wonder why it's so hard. Hm. And a dransition in this case doesn't
03:38:55.200 mean regret. It doesn't even mean permanent. In fact, 62% of those 13%
03:39:01.439 lived full-time in a gender different from their birth. So that's what 5% who
03:39:07.279 didn't who retransitioned to their assigned gender. Only 5% of the 13%
03:39:14.000 answered that they realized gender transition was not for them. That's 0.65% of the sample. And so it's not
03:39:20.319 like they didn't want to transition. They just had to retransition a couple of times.
03:39:26.160 But we have a lot more data. Okay, this is going to be a lot of citations.
03:39:32.640 Ready? In a random sample of 303 patient files from the Nottingham Center for
03:39:37.680 Transgender Health, only one person were found to have dransitioned. That's 0.3%.
03:39:44.720 In another study of 1,989 patients who underwent gender affirming
03:39:49.920 surgery, six dransitioned or applied for reversal surgery. Again, 0.3%. The cash
03:39:56.319 report mentions an analysis from the DIS from 2018 to 2022 where 3,36 people were
03:40:03.279 included. Fewer than 10 people dransition, less than 0.3%. this
03:40:08.640 review, by the way. I was just about done with reddrafting when this thing came out, and it doesn't even tell us anything new. But Cass still finds it
03:40:15.920 time to mention, oh, how the numbers of the transitioners might be rising. Woo
03:40:23.520 C. It can practically decrease from 0.3% and as we'll see it's probably not
03:40:30.239 increasing. Anyway, in a meta analysis of 27 studies related to gender affirming surgery done on 7,928
03:40:38.160 transgender patients, 77 showed any form of regret. The most common reason was poor social and or family support. Only
03:40:46.000 35 people showed clear regret, meaning wanting to dransition. You see, regret
03:40:51.200 is not always dransitioning. It's not even necessarily regretting the effects of the surgery. In this retrospective
03:40:57.680 study with 6,793 trans people spanning more than 40 years
03:41:02.800 from the largest Dutch gender clinic treating more than 95% of all trans people in the country. 0.6% of trans
03:41:10.720 women and 0.3% of trans men experience regret following a gonadctomy. That's
03:41:16.160 removing balls and or ovaries, by the way. But for many, the regret wasn't a
03:41:21.279 result of the actual effects of the surgery, but because of the stigma they faced from family and communities.
03:41:28.800 A long-term follow-up on regret rates related to double massctomies with 139
03:41:35.040 patients who had undergone surgery from 1990 to 2020. 0% had any regret. The authors even kind
03:41:44.000 of seem irritated since they can't do complex analysis on the results with a nonexisting regret rate. In the largest
03:41:51.840 to date survey with 92,329 respondents, 94% felt more satisfied
03:41:58.640 with a life after transitioning. 98% of all who underwent hormone treatment felt
03:42:04.399 more satisfied with a life. There aren't any further explanations on this number. So the 2% who don't feel more satisfied
03:42:10.960 might as well be because they're treated like by their country. H something to think about. In a longitudinal
03:42:17.680 analysis of all applications for gender affirming surgery in Sweden from 1960 to
03:42:23.359 2010, there was a 2.2% regret rate. Regret here refers to the application to
03:42:29.120 retransition to their assigned gender at birth. Interestingly, the analysis shows how regret rates become rarer as time
03:42:37.120 goes on, probably because of better surgical procedures and a more accepting
03:42:42.560 environment. Whereas four out of 15 people, that's
03:42:47.680 27% had regrets from 1960 to 1970, only one out of 360 people had regret from
03:42:55.439 2000 to 2010. Those 360 people account for almost half of the total and 1
03:43:01.920 divided by 360 leaves us with a regret rate of 0.3%.
03:43:07.260 [Music] Finally, in a systematic review of all peer-reviewed articles published in
03:43:13.680 English between 1991 and 2017 assessing the effects of transitioning on
03:43:18.960 well-being was made by Cornell University. Of all 72 studies, 17 were
03:43:24.000 literature reviews or guidelines. Of the remaining 55 studies, 51 showed that
03:43:29.359 transitioning resulted in an improvement to well-being and four studies showed mixed or no difference and not negative
03:43:36.319 findings, mixed or no findings. Between all 72 studies, they found a regret rate
03:43:42.960 ranging from.3% to 3.8%. Regrets are most likely to result from a
03:43:48.720 lack of social support after transition or poor surgical outcomes using older techniques. This is not a case of oh not
03:43:55.760 wanting to discuss a problem or that someone is suppressing evidence but simply that we cannot rely on bad data
03:44:03.520 and a worldview in which not being trans is seen as superior.
03:44:09.000 No text
03:44:09.760 Chapter 17 the anti-trans network
03:44:15.359 starts her book with Anna Hutchinson asking are we hurting children? 450
03:44:21.199 pages and 92 citations later, we're led to conclude yes some. But today we're
03:44:28.160 left with a new question. How many? Um, good question. Wait, who is Anna
03:44:35.279 Hutchinson? In bringing credibility to the book's narrative, Barnes interviews a host of
03:44:41.840 different experts. Those are among a couple of others Susan and her husband Marcus
03:44:49.520 Evans as David Bell, the owner of Transgender Trend Stephanie Davis Ara
03:44:56.399 Kirsty and Whistle Melissa Midian and of course Anna Hutchinson.
03:45:04.560 Dr. Anna Hutchinson is a clinical psychologist with 25 years of experience
03:45:09.680 in the field. She specializes in adolescent physical and mental health and worked at the Tavistock clinic from
03:45:16.000 2013 to 2017. In 2016, she was writing positively on the affirmative model for
03:45:22.640 transgender healthcare. Yet, at some point after that, something must have shifted for her. Fast forward to 2023,
03:45:29.359 and she's discussing the ethics and definitions of conversion therapy. That gender identity disorder overtook
03:45:35.520 homosexuality's place in the DSM3. And now the transit movement itself is a
03:45:41.120 form of conversion therapy to avoid homosexuality. One person's affirmation therapy might be another person's
03:45:46.960 conversion therapy, but no one can agree which is which. Which is why conversion
03:45:52.399 therapy for gender identity should not be made illegal. According to Hutchinson, in March of 2024, some
03:45:59.840 people were protesting at a conference called first do no harm. Why would
03:46:05.279 anyone protest against the hypocratic oath? The event was organized by clinical advisory network on sex and
03:46:12.319 gender can SG who invited several speakers including Anna Hutchinson to
03:46:17.359 network and discuss evidence-based care. The Royal College of General
03:46:23.040 Practitioners who housed the conference had been notified months earlier about the likelihood of protests.
03:46:30.160 You see, CANSG is super duper hooked on conversion therapy or just like
03:46:37.600 Hutchinson, they don't believe that conversion therapy for gender identity exists. And since it doesn't exist, they
03:46:45.199 don't need to be careful about it. And if there was such a hypothetical
03:46:51.359 national ban on gender conversion therapy, this would hinder their exploratory psychotherapy practices. So
03:46:58.880 please, please don't ban it. Uh this was
03:47:03.920 the Royal College of General Practitioners response to the potential protests.
03:47:09.680 The RCGP is one of 20 health organizations that have signed a
03:47:14.880 memorandum of understanding opposing conversion therapy. So we were very
03:47:20.399 vocal opponents of the government's proposal to ban the practice for lesbian, gay, and bisexual people in
03:47:26.880 England and Wales, but not for trans people. When the document was updated to
03:47:33.279 include gender identity, we worked with other signitories to ensure the memorandum was clear that being opposed
03:47:40.880 to conversion therapy did not mean opposing appropriate clinical and psychological interventions for trans
03:47:48.319 and gender questioning people and that it is entirely possible to deliver a ban on conversion therapy that protects all
03:47:55.680 LGBTQ plus people. Who is CANSG then? A clinical advisory
03:48:02.160 network on sex and gender is founded by Marie Aine, Stella Mali, Asakim, and
03:48:07.520 Robert Withers. It calls for an alternate viewpoint on gender identity treatment, one which should be founded
03:48:14.720 in better data collection, rigorous science, evidence-based politics, and
03:48:20.160 unbiased information. Robert Withers is a union psychoanalyst with 30 years of
03:48:26.720 experience working with researching and writing about people with gender dysphoria. According to him, of the
03:48:32.720 writing Withers has done on these people, I've only been able to find two articles he authored. One of those being
03:48:40.160 the seventh penis, which is it's retracted. The paper's goal was
03:48:47.520 to explore whether whether effective analytical work with the issues driving
03:48:54.080 a person's determined wish for sex reassignment surgery is possible. Particularly consideration is given to
03:49:01.120 how such work might navigate a path between traumatizing and pathologizing
03:49:07.040 the patient on one hand and avoiding important analytical material out of
03:49:12.239 fear of so doing on the other. He's asking if traumatizing his patients might be a price worth paying for, you
03:49:19.600 know, making them not trans. I do not consider myself an expert on
03:49:26.000 transsexualism or transgendered states. Okay. Uh, what the hell does he or does
03:49:31.680 he not have 25 years of experience? The seventh penis was retracted due to
03:49:37.520 Withers not preserving the confidentiality of his clients as well as a lack of consent. He even mentions
03:49:44.239 as much in the paper. He was found guilty on three counts of misconduct. Since he was solely affair with
03:49:50.960 confidentiality, it made it possible for transness, a support group for trans women, to reach out to the client of
03:49:57.439 Withers, allowing her to tell her side of the story. He puts himself out as this really clever psychotherapist who
03:50:04.319 has had so much experience with trans people, but in actual fact, he's only ever seen two trans people in his entire
03:50:11.520 career. I was deeply traumatized by Robert Withers. I found him on YouTube talking with a group of anti-trans
03:50:18.239 activists and all of a sudden he started making up some rubbish about why he thought I had a disassociative episode.
03:50:25.359 What he didn't mentioned and never has, it was because he was being so dominant over me. And during the session, he did
03:50:32.960 the whole spreading his legs business. I'm a survivor of sexual violence and the combination of his body language and
03:50:38.960 what he was doing triggered me. He says he was wanting to not expose me to abuse, but he pursued and abused me
03:50:45.040 nonetheless. Any therapist worthless or would be very aware of the body language. Not only that, trauma
03:50:50.880 therapists don't launch headlong into opening up experiences of abuse without first concentrating on safety and
03:50:57.840 stabilization. Traumatizing his patients is a price he's eager to pay. Apparently, Hakee, the next in the list
03:51:05.040 of Ganesh Gi's founders and the top gender expert in the UK, has a particular distaste for trans people. In
03:51:12.000 the book Lectures on Violence, Perversion, and Delinquency, Hakee features as the author of one of the
03:51:17.199 chapters. Chapter 10, Transsexuality, a case of the Emperor's New Clothes by
03:51:23.439 Asakim. It seems very difficult to attempt to understand the mind of a transsexual. If
03:51:30.080 the definition of a delusion is that of being a firmly held unshakable false belief, then surely the conviction that
03:51:37.600 one is what one is not is also understood as a delusional disorder. A
03:51:44.319 team is a prime example of a gatekeeper. He believes that the existence of a
03:51:49.920 trans person is contingent on his allowance. He's also too stupid to ask
03:51:55.520 the question why one is what one is not. I am the only one who thinks. Therefore,
03:52:01.760 I am the only one that is kind of stupid person. That woman at that point in time
03:52:07.920 believed that she was a cat. The management of this patient that I thought appropriate was not to collude
03:52:15.520 with her delusional belief and convince myself that she was a cat, but instead
03:52:21.520 try and understand her condition as being an encapsulated psychosis. To her
03:52:27.600 team, this woman may not have been a cat, but neither was she ever a person. She was her psychosis and only through
03:52:35.439 her psychosis did he try to understand her condition. To suggest that the core
03:52:41.279 belief defining an individual as a transexual, the belief that one is the
03:52:46.800 gender, that one is not be understood as an encapsulated monodilusional belief is
03:52:53.680 surprisingly controversial. Brand's people are to her not only auto
03:52:59.040 delusional psychotics, but they're also literally freaks. With surgery allowing
03:53:05.439 us to be increasingly creative, we perhaps believe that we can become the
03:53:11.840 ultimate creator. The danger is that we may actually become more like Dr.
03:53:17.439 Frankenstein. Not only are they freaks, but they're also barely human. Their
03:53:22.880 entire being is a sick, twisted, and incomprehensible unreality. Such a
03:53:28.560 flight away from mindfulness may be a reflection of how difficult it is to try and think about the disturbance created
03:53:35.840 in the transsexual mind. Hakee's distantly amused reaction to the
03:53:40.960 possible suffering of the people who come to him for help is to me just  nauseating. But really the
03:53:47.520 thesis of this chapter is exposing the lies of trans people that they are deluding not only themselves but also
03:53:54.239 the people around them and that we should not let such lying scheming filth
03:54:00.080 think that they are anything they're not. That's why the chapter is called Empress New Clothes because according to
03:54:07.040 Hakee the people need to see through the deception and call it out anywhere
03:54:13.040 always. This takes us back again to the story of the emperor where it was the young boy who had the freedom to express
03:54:19.840 his honest feelings was able to be true to himself and not collude with the madness and deception he found all
03:54:26.399 around him. It is interesting that one of my patients has reported that an indicator of how convincing he is as a
03:54:33.359 woman or how successful that deception is is to walk down the street in public
03:54:38.720 around the time that schools are closing. The very politically incorrect honesty mixed with the unfortunate
03:54:44.880 cruelty of children allow this individual to gauge whether he is successful in his endeavors of deceit
03:54:51.279 and control of others when the level of remarks passed by children will be few. In contrast, if his deception is
03:54:58.000 unsuccessful, this will be manifest in much taunting and humiliation. It seems
03:55:03.359 that in our profession it is only the psychoanalytical psychotherapist or the
03:55:08.720 similarly informed psychiatrist and only the more vocal braver ones at that who
03:55:14.800 take on the role of the boy in the story and are able to present the voice of
03:55:19.840 reality rather than the voice of the perceived majority who are seen to collude with the fantasy and deception.
03:55:26.479 This theme comes to a head in the final pages of the chapter where Hakee discusses how society should never treat
03:55:32.800 a trans person with respect because imagine the horror sis people would be
03:55:38.160 subject to should trans people by chance ever be seen as equal. Of course,
03:55:44.080 neither I nor any of the other clinicians with whom I work are opposed to a transsexual being allowed the right
03:55:50.319 to marry, but our objections are that they are allowed to marry as a person of the sex, which they are not. A similarly
03:55:58.319 related ongoing battle currently in process is the fight for the transsexual to be allowed to change the gender
03:56:04.080 specified on the birth certificate. Again, we are faced with deception. A
03:56:09.520 further illustration of the deception would be the possibility arising in the event of both the affforementioned
03:56:16.239 pieces of legislation. They could result in a man marrying what he presumes to be
03:56:21.279 a woman who had a female passport, a birth certificate declaring him to be female at birth, who is taken to be
03:56:28.000 female, and an individual whom he believed he could marry and who could be the mother of his children. But in
03:56:34.399 reality, his wife is actually being a man. I I'm
03:56:39.680 I don't know why this one infuriates me so much. I should have become desensitized to this by now. Hakee is an
03:56:45.760 adviser to the UK LGBT Alliance group who wants to severize with the T in
03:56:51.840 LGBT. Neither Hakee nor LGB alliance believes in the existence of trans people. Gender ideology is made up. It's
03:56:59.840 a social construct. It's a cult belief. The trench in the crisis is a current
03:57:04.880 form of youth subculture. You know, like punks and goths. LGBT Alliance was
03:57:10.479 formed to oppose the emancipation of trans people and to support the rights of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals, which
03:57:17.359 is weird because one of the LGBT Alliance founders, Bev Jackson, argues
03:57:22.560 for working with the Heritage Foundation to bring down the trans movement. The
03:57:28.560 Heritage Foundation is anti-climate change. is against same-sex marriage,
03:57:34.160 abortion, and they founded project 2025. You might say they would salute the
03:57:40.640 words, "We must secure the existence of our people and the future for
03:57:47.920 American children." Both Beth Jackson and co-founder Allison Bailey incidentally promoted the work of
03:57:54.800 Jennifer Bleck, who, if you remember, is the neo-Nazi Helen Joyce used as a
03:57:59.840 source for her book. Malcolm Clark, a third co-founder of LGBT Alliance,
03:58:04.880 argued against LGBT clubs in schools since predatory gay teachers might
03:58:10.160 exploit the situation. Clark also argued that the true ideal of the transgender
03:58:15.279 movement was to transform the UK into the Islamic Republic of Iran. They are
03:58:20.720 truly sending their best here. Okay, let's go a bit faster and fill this thing out. Okay, KSG's last important
03:58:28.800 founder is Stella Omali. Not only is she the founder of CANSG, she's also in charge of the podcast Gender a Wider
03:58:35.520 Lens and Jenspect. She co-host Gender a Wider Lens with Sasha Ayad where they interview well anyone with a view on
03:58:43.439 gender that differs from the norm as long as they are fundamentally against trans people. Of course, Genpect is one
03:58:50.160 of the largest gender critical organizations featuring advisers such as Aza, Sasha Ayad, Lisa Litman, Abigail
03:58:57.600 Shria, Julia Mason, Kathleen Gonan, and Lisa Machano. Lisa Macano is the founder
03:59:03.120 of Therapy First, but she was also a key member in at least four other organizations. Lisa Makano, or as she
03:59:10.880 sometimes goes by, Lisa Bell, was the founder of the now abandoned youth transcritical professionals. The same
03:59:17.120 website linked to in Lisa Litman's studies, the same Lisa Bell or Machano, who Julia Serrano believed to have
03:59:24.080 created the hypothesis of rapid onset gender dysphoria. More on that later. Macano was one of the members of
03:59:31.199 International Association of Therapists for Desisters and Dransitioners. And even though the organization is also
03:59:37.359 closed down and abandoned, we can still find remnants of the other members. Those being Stella Ali, Sasha Ayad,
03:59:43.680 Kirsty and whistle and estasis Biliadis and Anna Hutchinson. Yet another abandoned organization was Gender
03:59:49.600 Exploratory Therapy Association. Maybe the name was a bit too revealing. Get's
03:59:55.040 founders included Stell Mali, Sasha Ayad, Susan Evans, and Roberto D'Angelo. One of their advisers were Robert
04:00:01.439 Withers. And in 2024, GEA became therapy first. Finally, the largest of the
04:00:08.399 abandoned anti-trans organizations, pediatric and adolescent gender dysphoria working group. Sasha Ayad,
04:00:15.199 Stella Omali, Anastasis Biladis, Robert Withers, and Roberto D'Angelo counted among their members. What sets this
04:00:21.760 group apart is the amount of old guard and people with interesting affiliations. Other members included
04:00:28.640 Michael Bailey, Ray Blanchard, Susan Bradley, James Caner, Michael Lateaw, and Kenneet Sucker. I've already covered
04:00:35.359 Sucker Bradley and Cancer, but what's the deal with Blanchard and Bailey? Blanchard coined the term autogophilia
04:00:41.680 from earlier. He also wanted to introduce hepopilia into the DSM as a distinction from pedophilia. Heilia then
04:00:49.279 is the sexual arousal to children aged 11 to 14 instead of just
04:00:56.000 children. Why would anyone try to make a pedo light? No. Really imagine why
04:01:03.040 anyone would do that. Blanchard in another stroke of genius wanted to
04:01:08.080 remove the pathogization of pedophilia turning it into a sexual orientation instead of a diagnosis. He argues that
04:01:15.680 it should be okay to fantasize and masturbate to the thought of children. It is unclear what, if anything, would
04:01:21.120 be lost by excluding such persons from the diagnosis of mental disorder.
04:01:26.720 It does not need to be pathized as long as you yourself don't feel distressed about it and as long as you don't go out
04:01:33.840 of your way to sexually assault children thrice. As a reminder, yes, Blanchard
04:01:40.080 very much want to pathize trans people in all circumstances.
04:01:45.600 Now, Michael Bailey didn't believe in male bisexuality until he discovered it
04:01:51.520 in 2020. Incredible. At least he keeps up with the contra
04:01:57.199 points drama on Twitter. Huh.
04:02:04.399 H. and really seems to like Charles Murray
04:02:10.560 and for some reason liked a tweet of Trump talking about his nice jeans for 3
04:02:16.640 minutes which closes on his proudness of having German jeans. The tweet was made
04:02:22.080 by a self-proclaimed Nazi. No, I don't think Bailey is actually a Nazi. Rather,
04:02:27.439 I think he's too stupid to realize that he likes Nazi tweets and philosophies.
04:02:34.239 All of these people and organizations are pro-gender identity change efforts. Conversion therapy. The argument is that
04:02:41.520 sexuality is innate and should not be changed. But gender identity is simply a
04:02:46.720 subculture, a fetish, a contagion. It doesn't harm anyone when you try to
04:02:52.560 change their gender. In fact, it's the morally right choice that real conversion therapy is electroshock and
04:02:59.520 vomiting. Pavlovian conditioning and shaming that these gender activists are too stupid to realize that what they're
04:03:06.239 protesting is for their own good. Actually, no, they should count themselves lucky.
04:03:13.600 In December 2020, a committee meeting on justice and human rights was held with regards to Bill C6 in the House of
04:03:20.720 Commons in Canada. Bill C6 sought to prohibit conversion therapy. The opening
04:03:27.040 remarks were made by a former client of Kent Sucker. I am a survivor of transcon
04:03:32.239 conversion therapy. Dr. Sucker saw me as a patient for 7 years from the ages of
04:03:37.279 16 to 23 and denied me transaffirming healthcare in the form of both hormones
04:03:42.319 and surgery until I was 22. Dr. Sucker instead put me through what he has termed desistance treatment for trans
04:03:49.040 youth. He interrogated me in talk therapy for hours at a time, inquisitorially attacking, damaging, and
04:03:55.120 attempting to destroy my identity and my self-esteem and to make me ashamed and hateful of myself. Years into treatment,
04:04:01.520 he had condemned me to the fate that I wish to avoid. The very one I asked him every session to save me from. He made
04:04:08.479 my body a prison, and it is to this day. Conversion therapy almost broke me, and
04:04:13.920 I live with its physical and emotional scars to this day. But I was only a small part of Sucker's practice. Sucker
04:04:20.720 and his colleagues are the international proponents and researchers of conversion therapy for trans people of all ages
04:04:27.040 across the world. Whatever these theories and papers call their practices autogophilia, rapid onto gender
04:04:33.600 dysphoria, watchful waiting or desistence therapy by Saka and Blanchard and Litman and Cander and Bailey and
04:04:40.160 Bradley and so many others. They all have one thing in common. They are all conversion therapies and practices for
04:04:46.640 trans people. There are many briefs in front of the committee stating that gender affirming care is actually conversion therapy for gay, lesbian, or
04:04:53.760 bisexual youth and that gender identity should be removed from the purview of Bill C6. I implore you, do not listen to
04:05:01.279 them. The wounds that soccer caused me can never be undone. I don't know if I'll be able to heal and feel right or
04:05:08.720 whole or right as a person ever again. Everyone I've mentioned and everyone I'm
04:05:15.359 going to mention are opponents of gender affirming care. They are all against
04:05:20.640 banning conversion therapy for gender identity. They are all enemies to trans
04:05:26.479 people. Society for evidence-based gender medicine held in 2023 a conference
04:05:34.000 featuring more than 30 experts from different parts of the world.
04:05:39.359 They got together to discuss experiences and concerns of clinical staff working at youth gender clinics and to review
04:05:46.399 current treatment guidelines through the lens of evidence-based gender medicine. When CANSG, Sex Matters, Jensen Spect,
04:05:52.960 and others mentions evidence-based gender medicine, this is what it's led up to. It's also become a dog whistle.
04:06:01.199 The conference featured among others Anna Hutchinson, Hannah Barnes, Lisa Litman, Roberto D'Angelo Kennet Sucker,
04:06:08.160 Michael Bakes, Sasha Ayad, Kathleen Gunnan, and William Malone. Looking through Seekm's advisers, we find Sasha
04:06:14.399 Ayad, Lisa Macano, Anastasis Biladis, and Michael Bakes, who is also known as
04:06:19.520 Mr. Henry Wimbush. Seekm lists five founders on the website. Julia Mason,
04:06:25.600 Roberto D'Angelo, Sa abuses, and William Malone. What's interesting about Society
04:06:31.600 for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine is not only its list of supporters and old guard, but also the kind of people the
04:06:39.359 organization is willing to working with. William Malone, the president of SEM,
04:06:44.960 has rubbed shoulders with a lot of people from American College of Pediatricians.
04:06:51.760 Take for example this letter to the editor signed by Michael Lelaw, Quinton Faner, Paul Cruz, Andre Fan Mol and
04:06:59.199 William M alone from 2018 where they argue against the use of puberty
04:07:04.239 bloggers and certainly propagate the idea of gender exploratory therapy.
04:07:11.439 Of the five authors, all except William Malone is a member of American College
04:07:16.560 of Pediatricians. I I I know it's hard to remember all these names, but this Paul Shrews is the
04:07:23.760 same Paul Shrews who served as an expert witness for Kira Bell in the chapter on
04:07:29.120 puberty blockers. The same Paul Shrews who said some children are born in this
04:07:35.040 world to suffer and die. American College of Pediatricians or
04:07:40.960 ACPEDs is not to be confused with American Academy of Pediatricians or
04:07:46.319 AAP. AAP was funded almost a century ago and they're interested in safety for
04:07:52.640 children whether through recommendation in regards to car seats wanting to ban child targeted advertising or through
04:07:59.600 gun safety regulations. ACEDs on the other hand was founded in 2002 and is
04:08:04.880 interested in other kinds of safety for children. They preach abstinence only sex education are strictly anti-abortion
04:08:12.479 and samesex marriage. And when I say samesex marriage, I mean they equate homosexuality with pedophilia.
04:08:20.080 Michelle Cretella, the former president of ACpetss, also once served on the board of directors at NAT. Incidentally,
04:08:27.600 NAF, the original conversion therapy organization for homosexuality, was formerly advised by George Rers and was
04:08:34.960 founded by Joseph Nicoloi, who I might have forgotten to mention Saka and Bradley referenced in regard to
04:08:40.560 prevention of homosexuality in their book. In 2017, the Department of Justice
04:08:46.000 wanted to include gender identity into section 1557 of the Affordable Care Act.
04:08:52.800 This section specifies who and how you allowed to discriminate in health and
04:08:58.080 federal financial assistance programs. If passed, gender identity and by
04:09:03.199 extension trans people would also be covered and thereby prohibited to discriminate against on par with race,
04:09:10.640 sex, color, national origin, age, and disability. Then in 2018, the Trump administration
04:09:18.800 overruled the inclusion. something then labeled the crulest thing the Trump administration has done to trans people
04:09:25.199 yet. A host of people wrote in support of this decision. Michelle Cretella of
04:09:31.120 ACpeds was spearheading the petition to uphold the scientific definition of sex.
04:09:37.600 Other signitories were Quinton Fanita, Paul McHugh, Michael Lelo, Paul Ruse,
04:09:43.120 Susan Bradley, Mike who's from Canada, Michael Bailey, Laura Haynes, and Tony Perkins. Other signitories range from
04:09:50.960 Catholic university departments to the former CEO of Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian group
04:09:58.239 who wants to outlaw abortion, prohibit same-sex marriage, and who defended state enforced sterilization for trans
04:10:06.000 people in Europe. But ACES seems to be just far enough removed from the
04:10:11.040 anti-trans network. Maul, Misa, and Kruella don't really present themselves
04:10:16.560 as experts on trans healthcare. You could argue that it's only a few bad apples who engage with the nationalistic
04:10:23.600 rightwing. The anti-trans network does their best to keep their hands clean, yet they're often only one step removed
04:10:30.560 from the nationalistic and conservative rightwing. Except when they're not. Let me show
04:10:37.279 you. The Kelsey Coalition is another disbanded anti-trans organization
04:10:42.960 founded by someone under the pseudonym Katherine Cave after their child came out as trans. Their mission statement is
04:10:49.920 essentially to keep that from happening to any other parent. Katherine Cave, by
04:10:55.120 the way, is also the person who published the piece that Bev Jackson of LGB alliance shared on Twitter. If you
04:11:01.680 remember, this is the one where Bev Jackson argues for working with the Heritage Foundation. And this is how the
04:11:08.160 Celtic coalition introduced themselves. History is replete with medical scandals, frontal labbotoies to treat
04:11:15.199 mental illness, forced sterilization to control undesirable populations, the
04:11:20.880 infamous Tuskiggee experiment, indefensible, unethical medical
04:11:26.239 procedures were performed for years. Why did it take so long to stop them?
04:11:32.960 History is repeating itself. What the organization says is fairly
04:11:38.160 insignificant, but what inellas is not. Active between 2019 and 2020 with only
04:11:44.800 six outwardly facing members, four of whom are anonymous parents. This abandoned website seems like any of the
04:11:51.600 other anti-trans farms with only a shell of infrastructure plasted with the same regurgitated speaking points. Yeah. So,
04:11:59.040 let's first connect it back. You see, they are one of the few organizations to publicly work with right-wing think
04:12:06.560 tanks. The Celtic Coalition formed a very close relationship with the Heritage
04:12:12.960 Foundation during its one functioning year. One of the six members were Michael Lateaw from AC Pets, the same
04:12:20.080 Late Law who works with William Malone. In 2019, one of the anonymous parents
04:12:25.199 was featured alongside Late Law in a panel by the Heritage Foundation. This parents testimony was then reprinted in
04:12:32.640 several right-wing publications following the panel. If you searched the web for the Kelsey Coalition Now, the
04:12:39.040 first result is a website allowing you to download the parent resource guide developed by the Minnesota Family
04:12:45.120 Council in 2019. A fun little tidbit of information is Minnesota Family
04:12:50.239 Council's affiliation with Alliance Defending Freedom and Family Research Council. FRC was founded in part by
04:12:56.880 George Rickers in 1983 and the current president is the Tony Perkins who signed to remove gender identity from the 1557
04:13:04.960 affordable care act. Anyways, this guide was developed in collaboration with AC
04:13:10.399 peds family policy alliance, the Kelty Coalition, the Heritage Foundation, Women's Liberation Front and Parents of
04:13:17.840 our GD Kids. Supporting members of the guide are among others Michelle
04:13:23.040 Cretella, Michael Lelaw, Susan Bradley, William Malone, and Sasha Ayad.
04:13:30.399 The guide itself isn't worth going through. It's just a dumb down conservative version of what the first
04:13:36.159 half of this video was about. It does show us a piece of the puzzle, though, that yes, obviously these people are
04:13:44.159 very willing to working with conservative organizations. There's also another little detail.
04:13:51.760 Practically all the endorsements are made by key policy makers or professors. [Music]
04:13:58.479 And then there's James Shupe, a US Army
04:14:03.680 veteran. What if I told you that James Shupe doesn't exist? When Shupe transitioned
04:14:11.600 for the first time in 2013, it wasn't a nice experience. She suffered from blood
04:14:16.960 clots and rashes caused by poorly monitored hormone levels. She was a retired veteran and worked for
04:14:23.439 a pro-LGBTQ organization. She also became the first legally recognized non-binary person in the US. But in
04:14:31.680 2017, something in her must have shifted. My head is off to the Heritage Foundation because it's really the only
04:14:38.560 place that people such as myself and these radical feminists are getting a voice. In an interview with a reporter
04:14:45.520 from New York magazine, Shupe stated that she never thought of herself as female and talked about sex stereotypes
04:14:52.640 and how she agreed with the radical feminists on the immutability of sex
04:14:57.840 compared to gender. The dogs barked. Shup was contacted by several anti-trans
04:15:04.239 activists asking her to share her story. And then as a result, Shupe was dropped
04:15:09.760 from her job. When Shupe reached out, the anti-trans network picked her up. In
04:15:15.439 2019, Shupe legally retransitioned to male. Shupe became one of the most
04:15:20.880 influential dransition voices at the time. Think of the word transvestite.
04:15:27.600 They've succeeded in making it a vulgar word, even though it just means men dressing like women. The diagnostic code
04:15:34.800 in my records should read transvestic disorder. Instead, the novel theories of Judith Butler and Anne Fasto Sterling
04:15:42.000 have been used to cover up the truths written about by Blanchard, J. Michael Bailey, and Ali Streer. I confess to
04:15:49.359 have been motivated by autogenia during all of this. Blanchard was right. This
04:15:55.439 is what James Shu wrote in 2019 in an article for the Daily Signal.
04:16:01.840 A fast forward 3 years to 2022 when seemingly out of the blue, a blog post appeared on elisup.wordpress.com.
04:16:10.479 Radical and gender critical feminists, conservatives, and faith-based groups would like everyone to believe that
04:16:16.880 gender dysphoria can be cured simply by adopting dangerous beliefs. They want
04:16:21.920 you to think that praying, undergoing conversion therapy, etc. can cure and change you. I can attest that all of
04:16:28.560 their treatments failed to work in my case. Publicly, I sustained during that 10 years time by lying to myself and
04:16:35.600 others that what they said worked. I also shamefully sold their ideologies to the media and the public while
04:16:41.840 overdosing on estrogen supplements in private, trying to desperately lower my testosterone level. Direct them to this
04:16:48.000 post and set the record straight. Trans women are legally women. Trans in their lives matter. Going forward, although I
04:16:56.159 have adopted the name Elisa Shupe, please call me Lisa. My pronouns are she
04:17:01.359 and her. So, what happened? This is Kathleen Gulan, advisor to both
04:17:08.720 Jensen Spectre and SEM. Here she is at a panel discussion in 2023 hosted by Moms
04:17:13.840 for Liberty and sponsored by the Heritage Foundation. The power of social transition is is not
04:17:20.319 to be underestimated. It is a major psychoggenic intervention and we have to
04:17:26.800 fight against it at every step and raise questions about it from the moment you see any sign of it in your children,
04:17:33.359 your grandchildren, your children's friends. And you don't back down. On her left sits JW Richards of the
04:17:40.800 Heritage Foundation. On her right sits January Little John of antitrans group
04:17:46.640 do no harm. You might even recognize her from somewhere. Hm. January. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you
04:17:55.439 very much. And to the right of her sits Aaron
04:18:02.479 Brewer, co-founder of Advocates Protecting Children. Ah, look, it's Michelle Cretell again.
04:18:08.239 So, when I was looking to retire, I started uh talking to people like Abigail Shrier who wrote
04:18:15.760 um Irreversible Damage. She sent me to Dr. Paul McHugh who I know from my uh
04:18:21.279 faith and uh they encouraged me to get involved and one step led to another and
04:18:27.120 I found my way to Jenspect. Paul McHugh, if you don't know, is a conservative Catholic psychiatrist who
04:18:34.399 closed the John Hopkins gender identity clinic in 1979 called Homosexuality and
04:18:40.239 erroneous desire and served as an expert witness in the defense of numerous
04:18:45.680 priests accused of child sexual abuse. He was also appointed by Bush to the
04:18:52.239 President's Council of Bioeththics. If that means anything to you, what is the plan?
04:18:59.279 we we're going to unwind the relationship with that pediatrician. We're going to go find a different therapist or we're going to find no
04:19:05.760 therapist cuz this child doesn't need to be told they're sick. They're not sick. We need to tell them
04:19:11.120 they're healthy. We need to get them outdoors. We need to get them into sports. We need to explore the world,
04:19:17.120 anything but fixating on themselves cuz one of the things they do is just think
04:19:22.399 about themselves. That's all they think about. Going to have to uh play a dual game for a while. I've been to the
04:19:28.560 schoolboard meetings in Harvard County where the bulk of the parents talking about this topic were advocating for
04:19:34.800 social transition. They were thanking the school for transitioning their kids. So, we're just going to have to bring
04:19:40.479 the presence forward of those that don't agree and ask them to play uh to meet
04:19:46.239 our needs as well. It it's going to be awkward for a while, but I think we're stuck with doing that. But it will it
04:19:53.520 will we'll gain momentum. We'll have more and more parents say, "What do you mean they're asking my kid for pronouns?
04:19:59.680 Um, we're going to have to be we're going to have to live in two worlds for a while." But right now, they're living in one.
04:20:06.000 The wrong one. The wrong one. In 2023, Elisa Shupe leaked 3,400 emails
04:20:15.040 detailing the last 6 years of her life. I have read through all the emails but
04:20:20.479 even then my obsessiveness still has an end especially when there are more
04:20:26.000 talented people who has already compiled the information. A lot of the story then
04:20:31.120 is from Jude Doyle's article in Extra Magazine and Medicine Paul's article in
04:20:36.239 Mother Jones. Within the leaks are four pieces I want to cover.
04:20:45.040 He has a porn account on Twitter. I usually use people's pronouns, but not for the likes of him. This is Lisa
04:20:52.399 Machano, advisor to Sem and Jenspect, talking about trans journalist Senior
04:20:57.680 Jones from gender analysis. But wait, it gets worse.
04:21:05.600 Can you get me links to those Kib Farm pages? I think someone mentioned she
04:21:11.359 mods some porn Reddit subs. Do you know anything about that? Anything you've got
04:21:17.120 on her, please send. Is there an archive of Jones's Tumblr? Links are being
04:21:23.680 passed to Fox News. Lisa Miano, LCSW, certified union analyst. Machano wants
04:21:31.600 to share revenge porn of Jones. She wants to crawl through Kiwi Farm pages.
04:21:38.159 Revenge porn is sexual abuse. But the emails don't tell us anything more. We
04:21:44.239 don't know who shared the links to Fox News or if they ever even were shared.
04:21:49.920 We can only see what was able to reach Lisa Shupe, but sometimes that allows us
04:21:55.680 to then interpret the ripples. This is a tweet from Ray Blanchard. Take a note of
04:22:02.479 the date. This is only 2 days after Lisa Mariano wrote that links were being passed around. Sia Jones in her Satana
04:22:10.080 Kennedy persona has posted a great deal of shemail pornography online
04:22:16.159 some free redacted.com or someone close to her likely shared
04:22:22.080 links to Ray Blanchard. Did anyone else get links passed to them? We don't know.
04:22:28.159 What we do know is that Marano has a broad network of accompllices.
04:22:34.319 When Shupe wrote to Mago to help her with a possible lawsuit, this was Mano's
04:22:39.760 reply. Yes, I know people who would testify. I believe that Ken Sucker would Mike
04:22:46.080 Bailey perhaps also. And if they can't, they will know people who can. Keep me
04:22:52.159 posted. I won't say anything to anyone yet, but I know several smart people who would likely have some helpful thoughts.
04:22:59.359 So, just let me know what you need. I am going to have a lot of resources for you on this. Really, you let me know when
04:23:07.279 you are ready and I will start introducing you to people. May I have your permission to mention this to
04:23:13.199 fourth wave now? I trust her to keep it secret and she will be jumping for joy.
04:23:18.800 Mariano is interesting and she likely plays a bigger role in the anti-trans
04:23:25.040 network than we are aware of. This is from Doyle's interview with Lisa Shupe.
04:23:31.120 Shupe suspects Machano's role is larger than the public knows. Macano never explicitly said that she is the inventor
04:23:38.560 of ROGD, but the evidence points to her and she's listed as the contributor to
04:23:44.239 the Lisa Litman study on plus one. She writes to me, "My opinion is that
04:23:49.359 Machano and the fourthwave now folks are behind the RGD study and Litman merely
04:23:55.199 fronted it for them to make it appear unbiased. Both Litman, Machano and the founder of fourthwave now discredits
04:24:01.840 this, but this video is already it's too long. So I recommend Julia
04:24:07.359 Serrano's timeline on RGD and Sia Jones timeline on Lisa Machano's anti-trans activism.
04:24:13.520 There are some weird coincidences about the spread of the social contagion hopes leading back to Machano.
04:24:21.279 We see how Machano leveraged Shup's free time to make her look into,
04:24:26.640 let's say, other unpleasant things. Hi Jamie, I'm hoping you can help us with a
04:24:32.239 research project. Comparing notes, we are noticing that the only suicides of trans teens that we hear about are among
04:24:38.640 those kids who are being supported and affirmed and are transitioning or have transitioned. Leela Elorn being the only
04:24:45.760 exception. Since there are no national statistics that would allow us to test the hypothesis that transition may
04:24:51.600 increase suicidality, we want to try to mine news reports to see what they show.
04:24:56.720 Are you able to put your hands on as many reports of trans teen suicide
04:25:03.359 stories as possible? We can possibly have someone analyze them to see if there are any conclusions that can be
04:25:09.359 drawn. The emails also allows us a glimpse of introductions to friendly faces. After Michael Lelaw contacted
04:25:15.680 Shupe through Twitter, he quickly introduced her to Michelle Cretella and Andra Fernol.
04:25:22.159 Almost a year after the last correspondence, Mariano again wants Shupe to look into kid suicides.
04:25:29.040 Not only do we get glimpses of a network, we are also able to see how it evolves.
04:25:36.319 Mike Blaw and Will Malone are active within it. I am less so. Let me find out
04:25:42.080 if the group is out yet. This email marks the formation of Society for Evidence-Based Gender
04:25:48.880 Medicine.
04:25:55.520 Hey, Walt. This is one of those private conversations. My attorney wants me to
04:26:01.760 start stepping away from media interviews because of the cases that are going to get filed.
04:26:07.439 I feel like I'm letting you and others down with that, but it's the best thing. Plus, I need to work on my mental
04:26:13.600 health, which is really fragile right now. As Shupe's mental health deteriorated, she buried herself deeper
04:26:21.040 in the anti-trans network. Now, I'm not going to take away Shup's responsibility. There was no one forcing
04:26:28.720 her. She never stood up and stopped it. But I can't deny her courage. She knew
04:26:34.640 what was in those emails. She knew the role she played against trans people. And yet, she leaked all of it. When Shu
04:26:42.960 retransitioned to male in 2019, the Social Security Administration did not allow her to change to male sex, only
04:26:50.319 male gender. She sought help from Keradansky from Women's Liberation Front, a radical feminist anti-trans
04:26:57.920 organization, described as knitting together the turf movement and the far right. I wonder if this might be
04:27:04.880 something ADF would take on if you are willing to work with them. who was, as
04:27:10.960 history shows, very willing to working with the ADF. Even though she had legally
04:27:17.279 dransitioned, she never actually stopped taking estrogen. The lawsuit made sure
04:27:22.399 to cut off her supply almost immediately. When she lost access to gender affirming
04:27:27.840 care, she went to the social worker who a year prior had helped set up her advanced directory. If you're not in the
04:27:34.479 US, then that's her wishes for medical care. should she be unable to tend to her herself.
04:27:41.120 A year before, I'd said, "Keep me alive at all costs, even on an ventilator if
04:27:46.239 I'm brain dead." I said, "Let me die." That was a pretty dark day. I told them,
04:27:54.159 "Let me die for any reason." Shupe knows very well that HRT can be a matter of
04:28:00.479 life and death. And still she collaborated with lawmakers all over the USA to ban gender affirming care.
04:28:07.920 I don't have an excuse for that. Shupe says eventually there is no excuse for
04:28:14.960 that. One of the things I found most interesting from Extra Magazine's article and interview with Shupe was how
04:28:21.760 they documented the loss of Shup's voice. If she couldn't write her story herself, others were willing to do it
04:28:28.560 for her. One of those was her attorney, Bob Sullivan. I could help you write them if you are
04:28:35.120 interested in this effort.
04:28:42.159 This is the draft Sullivan gave Shupe.
04:28:49.680 The red section here is where Shupe should write something herself. The rest
04:28:56.560 was done. The ADF also wanted to help her write her personal story. They only
04:29:01.920 needed a very rough sketch and then their writers could do the rest.
04:29:07.040 Her emails from December to Daniel from the Heritage Foundation shows us how she
04:29:12.560 hadn't been able to write anything since her last opit was published in the Daily Signal in March.
04:29:19.840 Honestly, my head isn't clear enough to write. I haven't successfully authored
04:29:25.199 anything since the last OPET. I'm in the weekly trauma therapy and the VA has me on an anti-depressant and Valium. When
04:29:33.199 Shupe finally did begin her next up, she got help from both Daniel and I believe
04:29:38.880 another reporter named Rachel de Deluis. I can't pronounce it, who also writes
04:29:46.159 for the Daily Signal. Shu wanted to make sure that the ADF and her lawyer Herbert
04:29:51.439 Gray was mentioned. It's important ADF gets credit. They paid for this. But the ADF wanted
04:29:58.000 nothing to do with it and her.
04:30:08.640 Within the emails, there are two pieces of legislation I want to explore. This is the smaller one, Bill H509 in Idaho,
04:30:17.439 which disallows people to update their birth certificate should they change gender. And at this point, it wasn't
04:30:23.840 just a private conversation between a couple of people. This email chain was comprised of 30 people, experts in the
04:30:31.199 field, you might say, including the founder of Kelsey Coalition, Michael Lelaw, Paul Ruse, Paul McHugh, William
04:30:38.399 Malone, Michelle Coutella, and others from the ADF, the Heritage Foundation, Child and Parental Rights Campaign, at
04:30:44.960 least one homosexual conversion therapists, and a lot of Catholics. The
04:30:50.560 goal was to let these experts comment on the bill before it was officially proposed. The eraser of biological sex
04:30:57.600 negatively impacts the health and safety for all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-based gender
04:31:03.680 medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender and healthcare is alarming and is poised to
04:31:09.279 subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender identifying individuals to unintended medical harm
04:31:15.680 from receiving incorrect diagnosis and being subject to incorrect treatments.
04:31:21.040 That looks great. My only concern is with the quote from Sem William Malone.
04:31:27.840 Would you consider this first the reference cisgender identifying
04:31:33.120 individuals? I believe there is a way to make this point without using a word like cis which indirectly endorses the
04:31:41.680 ideology upon which transgender identities are based. I agree that
04:31:46.800 adopting use of cisgender only validates transgender as a healthy variant which it is clearly not.
04:31:54.880 This state is enforcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2 + 2 = 5.
04:32:01.439 I mean, no one should have to appeal to their freedom of religion/concience
04:32:09.680 to stand up against 2 + 2 = 5/ a man is not a woman. If this is not the
04:32:17.199 definition of insane, I don't know what is. Dear friends, I cannot thank you enough
04:32:23.840 for your help and support. It is official. Governor Little signed both H500 and H509 today. Many tears and
04:32:32.479 prayers of gratitude. The fight goes on. What wonderful news, Julian. This is
04:32:39.120 truly a ray of light in dark times. Thank you for your perseverance. To God
04:32:45.439 be the glory.
04:32:50.720 The last piece I want to cover is also, I think, the most impactful.
04:32:57.359 This is about another piece of legislation, the Vulnerable Child Protection Act, which would ban the
04:33:03.359 administration of HRT, Puberty Bloggers, and Gender Affirming Care for Miners. These email chains feature a lot of the
04:33:10.480 same people, the only exception being Michael Bakes, who's now also CCd.
04:33:16.000 All just a note to update you on status of the vulnerable child protection act.
04:33:22.400 I'm comfortable the bill and white paper are at its or near final form. Not a
04:33:28.000 single legislator spoken with so far has a clue about what's happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative
04:33:34.799 therapy. All of this is new to them. Casey from Celtic Coalition will be
04:33:40.320 developing her suggested strategy for testimony that I'll bounce off our South Dakota team. As always, please do not
04:33:49.359 share this with media. The longer we can fly under the radar, the better. Let's
04:33:54.958 fast forward half a year to January of 2020. Without this ban in place, South Dakota
04:34:02.000 will allow what is already happening in other states. miners who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly
04:34:08.719 lifesaving medical intervention. The claim that this is a lifesaving medically necessary intervention is the
04:34:16.240 big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and medical scandal. This is an off repeated claim with no support
04:34:23.359 and it must be confronted directly. Let's memorize Katherine's response and
04:34:28.639 repeat it at nauseium regardless the question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bulldogs on
04:34:35.919 this fact and principle. Doctors who willfully harm patients are
04:34:41.438 criminals. If a doctor drugs a patient unconscious and surgically removes her
04:34:47.359 14-year-old healthy breasts. This is a criminal act. Indeed, these
04:34:53.759 are not physician patient relationships at all. They're criminal victim relationships. The physician who does
04:34:59.840 masectomies of 14year-old breasts or provides 11year-olds puberty
04:35:05.520 blockers has willfully caused harm to child not withstanding the desires or
04:35:10.639 knowledge of the preventable child. The physician is ultimately responsible for the harms as he or she is the only one
04:35:17.919 who can sign the prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The physician is
04:35:24.879 criminal in these scenarios and must be prosecuted by the law.
04:35:31.039 As usual, you guys are working above and beyond the call and putting out
04:35:36.879 excellent exclamation mark work. Stepping back a bit though,
04:35:42.639 philosophically, we are trying to make something to be recognized as a crime by the legal system. But is a crime not a
04:35:49.759 crime if it is not yet on the books?
04:35:56.639 Today we do battle in the South Dakota House floor. I thank you for all your
04:36:04.320 work and your prayers. Fred, know that many have prayed and are
04:36:12.320 praying for you this day. Do not back down, nor should you be afraid.
04:36:19.118 Know that the Lord is with you. The children of South Dakota belong to him.
04:36:25.039 He is jealous over them. Let his jealousies be spoken forth in the House
04:36:30.639 of Representatives of South Dakota today so that his children would be made safe.
04:36:36.320 No, you are his representative today. The Vulnerable Child Protection Act
04:36:43.359 didn't pass.
04:36:50.799 Thank you for your courage. Though our session in South Dakota is now over and our efforts to protect gender confused
04:36:57.278 vulnerable children failed, I continue to receive ugly email and social media posts.
04:37:03.759 Dear Fred, please do not say that the South Dakota effort failed. You
04:37:09.840 successfully inspired, encouraged, and counseledled numerous recap efforts around the country. And most
04:37:15.919 importantly, you connected us all to each other. This is just beginning.
04:37:23.840 At least it didn't pass in 2020. As of October 2024, I found bills eerily
04:37:30.400 similar to the one from South Dakota, which have included the words vulnerable, child, and or protection in
04:37:38.080 12 states. 26 states have now banned gender affirming care for people under 18.
04:37:46.240 The Department of Justice will investigate big pharma and the big hospital networks to determine whether
04:37:52.240 they have deliberately covered up horrific long-term side effects of sex transitions in order to get rich at the
04:38:00.400 expense of vulnerable patients. In this case, very vulnerable.
04:38:07.039 We are still not entirely done with Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine, though, because they still
04:38:12.879 have two people on the board of directors who aren't public information.
04:38:18.240 One of those is Marcus Evans, the one who's married to Susan Evans from Hanniban's book. The other is their
04:38:24.799 treasurer, Steven Beck, who can only be found if you go through their accounting
04:38:30.000 files. To bring it full circle, Steven Beck's wife, Sharon Beck, is herself in
04:38:36.000 charge of two organizations. Cardinal support network and parents of our GD
04:38:41.520 kids. But the Becks have good reason not to be too public. After all, they have a
04:38:48.879 transgender child. Everything I'm going to talk about is from the article by Senior Jones. If you have the
04:38:54.799 masochistic urge, read it. If you at all interested in top class journalistic
04:38:59.919 work or if anything in this video has left you wanting more, please check out her and Hill Magnamara's work at gender
04:39:06.639 analysis. There's a link in the description and I'll talk more about resources later. In 2022, House Bill 454
04:39:15.919 was trying to pass through the Ohio House. HB454 is also known as the SAFE
04:39:22.000 Act, an acronym for safe adolescence from experimentation, which if passed
04:39:27.359 would erase the entirety of transitional and gender affirming healthcare and psychological safety for all trans
04:39:32.561 adolesccents in Ohio. There was one hearing opposing the bill
04:39:38.560 and three in favor of. On the third in favor hearing, a certain Maria Polaris
04:39:44.878 went to the board to testify on behalf of my chartmother who wouldn't be able to attend due to travel. Maria Polaris,
04:39:53.040 of course, is Sharon Beck. I thoughtfully picked out her name. I
04:39:58.240 named her after one of my favorite first ladies who was a strong woman long before her time. It except my
04:40:06.718 chartmother is also Sharon Beck. Searching through the testimonies metadata reveals the author of the PDF
04:40:13.920 as Sharon Beck. Mind you, Sharon Beck, also known as My Childmother, also known
04:40:19.920 as Maria Polaris, has already testified at the second hearing.
04:40:25.040 Steven and Sharon Beck's child is trans and non-binary. They had moved out years
04:40:30.400 prior to this hearing and were only trying to keep themselves informed when, to their shock, their mother stepped up
04:40:36.560 to testify before the court. I could feel my heart sinking from every word she spoke in that room. Her 30inut
04:40:44.000 narrative barely made sense, but she had no hesitation to say the most negative things about me and other trans people
04:40:50.718 in her speech. If this bill were passed while I was under 18, my therapists may
04:40:56.160 have been forced to share aspects about me that I feared my parents finding out about. Without their confidential
04:41:01.920 support, my story may have ended differently. It is sad to be the age I am now, knowing that those fear I had as
04:41:08.160 a minor were truly justified. Sharon writes about her child changing
04:41:14.000 their name. But Sharon Beck is no stranger to name changes herself. Senior
04:41:19.280 Jones found more than 10 aliases she has used on different platforms including Sheribeck, Maria Polaris, Maria
04:41:26.400 Boreales, Maria Riveres, Mary McDer, a loving cardinal, and not a chicken.
04:41:32.798 Uh, let's see what she's willing to say when she thinks no one is listening.
04:41:38.480 You are a willing victim of a terrible misleading ideology. There are two
04:41:44.878 genders, male and female. All these other manifestations are affair to try
04:41:50.160 and normalize transsexualism, which is a real and extremely rare mentality ill
04:41:55.600 condition. Do you want this sort of attention the rest of your life? Folks my age view this for what it is. Mental
04:42:04.718 illness. Wow. We cut off our daughter as far as money for school, rent, anything. We
04:42:12.000 hope it slows down the process. And it has. Because of Obamacare, you are not
04:42:17.360 permitted to take your child off insurance until 26 by law, even if they get married. I know because we tried.
04:42:26.080 Lily, I believe the best way is to stay calm and take the Columbbo approach and ask some open-ended questions. Who are
04:42:32.638 her friends? In a way, try not to panic, but get to the bottom of it with the who, what, where, when questions and
04:42:40.160 inform her of the facts that this is a mental disorder. Does she want to be a
04:42:45.200 medical patient? I would suggest trying to keep her really busy. plays soccer,
04:42:51.440 kickboxing, anything that will keep her so busy she can't do much else. You are
04:42:57.040 in a great place, so please don't worry about being hated.
04:43:02.798 I have nothing to lose. I was hoping that my daughter would turn things around, but clearly she's not going to
04:43:09.680 do that on her own. We need to crawl through windows if need be. If my
04:43:14.718 daughter was on an operating table soon, I would find out who is doing that
04:43:19.840 surgery and report them to the medical board of the state. What's there to lose?
04:43:26.080 My sarcastic gender has finally come out. Today, I ran as fast as my dog. So, therefore, I decided that I am a dog,
04:43:32.160 too. I even painted like him. And my hair color is similar. So, I really think that I am a dog now. Is there a
04:43:38.000 therapist out there that can help me be a dog? Would you rather have an alive human or a dead dog? I am very afraid
04:43:44.320 that if my parents don't agree with me, even though they're in the 80s, then I might have to kill my dog. Wow. You and
04:43:52.480 the same boat. We also, due to her unstable mental condition, kept our college daughter on our insurance. Then,
04:44:00.080 almost as divine intervention, my husband lost his job and therefore the insurance. Could this happen to you?
04:44:07.360 That way, it would not be your fault. Since you hardly see her, how is she to know? and then find a way to drop her. A
04:44:14.958 suffering mom, I would say, then disengage completely from therapists. It is fully within your right to have a
04:44:21.280 therapist be on the same page. And if she still insists on therapy, then have her get a job so she can pay for it
04:44:27.520 herself. Also, monitor her cell phone use and don't make the mistake I made by completely unraveling and losing your
04:44:34.240 temper. Also, ask your friends or local church for a therapist. They tend to know and if they have anything regarding
04:44:41.120 gender in their business card, this is a strong indication that they are activistoriented and will work behind
04:44:46.878 your back. You know, my mother said that my brother
04:44:51.920 told her that I should accept what my daughter is doing. And so I said, "Great. Where can I ship hormones to his
04:44:57.920 daughter and see how he likes it?" I get so sick and tired of family members who don't have the decency to attend a
04:45:04.400 birthday party, but they say crap like that. My husband and I have been going through this for a couple of years now.
04:45:11.280 It is the most dangerous cold of our time set up by the liberals to make money off of us. It is a great evil.
04:45:19.840 They got her. They meaning the trans activists. She's gone. So yes, do
04:45:26.240 everything you can. They care more about their ideology than the health of the
04:45:31.920 teen. They do not love the teen. They do not know the teen. It really seems to be a quest against parents. And guess what?
04:45:39.120 They won in my case, and I get to live with it. So, you betrayed your parents'
04:45:44.160 trust by acting like an ass. Most likely, trust is difficult, but not impossible to rebuild. You can start by
04:45:50.000 doing your part and apologizing and have the same life in person as you do online. Parents are not the haters here.
04:45:56.480 I plan to send the gross surgery pictures to this girl. At least she might freak out. I nearly passed out
04:46:02.480 when I saw them. If I send her the same thing I did as channel 9, they will connect the dots.
04:46:09.280 Which is why I have concealed carry cameras all around my house. Still dreaming of running over the trans
04:46:15.600 activists that help fund my daughter's bilateral masectomy.
04:46:25.000 No text
04:46:32.160 You know, as this project went on, it became more and more difficult to just answer working. When people asked what
04:46:39.040 was going on in my life, when I finally told someone that I was making a video on transphobia, their first question was
04:46:46.718 without exception, why? I think after working on this so long, I
04:46:52.878 can comfortably say I'm not trans. But I would be lying if I said that I have
04:46:58.160 always been sure. I think it's impossible for anyone who really tries to understand not to reflect it a bit
04:47:04.878 back upon themselves. At least I think it should be impossible, unethical even.
04:47:10.638 It is not hard to answer the question, why am I sis? But answering the question, why am I not trans? Is
04:47:19.040 something else entirely. I found that in general there are four
04:47:24.798 kinds of transphobes. those whose payroll is dependent on it. Uh those who don't know any better,
04:47:32.320 those who can't accept their trans child, and those who felt they grew out
04:47:38.560 of their gender dysphoria. When I was a child, I wanted to be a
04:47:45.600 girl. As you might have noticed, I'm not. This isn't an egg or coming out
04:47:52.320 moment, by the way. I've seen a lot of women who argue against trans people because they feel that if life had been
04:47:58.560 a little different, they would be trans. But as they grew up, one of two things
04:48:04.080 happened. They grew into womanhood and out of dysphoria, or they learned to
04:48:09.920 cope. Then they became transphobic either because they resent that anyone
04:48:15.040 should have the possibility they didn't or that if they can grow out of it, why
04:48:21.360 shouldn't you? I never felt gender dysphoria and I never disliked being a boy. It never
04:48:28.320 really manifested itself in anything. But even that brief reflection on who I am has made me see how even if I grew
04:48:36.000 out of it, why should you? I've talked about trans research in the
04:48:41.680 start of the 20th century and then picked it back up again in 1960, but there's a 30-year gap from 1930 to 1960.
04:48:50.400 I never got into. On the 30th of January of 1933, Hitler
04:48:56.480 was appointed chancellor of the German state. On the 10th of May of the same year, book burnings were held throughout
04:49:02.480 Germany. Any book deemed unger fell victim.
04:49:08.160 Within these were the more than 10,000 books of the library of Das Institute of
04:49:13.360 Fexual Visionaft led by Marshfeld. The Institute of Sexual Science was the
04:49:19.520 western world's leading institute on interexuality and transsexuality.
04:49:25.200 But then again, the Institute of Sexual Science and Magnoses work wasn't
04:49:30.480 completely wiped off the earth, otherwise I wouldn't be able to talk about it. One of the students of the
04:49:37.120 institute, Harry Benjamin, moved to the US to work as a sexyologist and
04:49:42.160 endocrinologist. His book, The Transsexual Phenomenon, even mentions the book burning in
04:49:47.440 Germany. In 1948, Benjamin saw a young patient who, even though they were born
04:49:52.878 a boy, insisted on being a girl. The recommended treatment at the time was to make the mind fit the body. But Benjamin
04:50:01.760 knew this wasn't the right approach. Why not the other way around? Why not make
04:50:06.958 the body fit the mind? He decided to treat her with estrogen.
04:50:14.480 This started his interest in what he and David Caldwell simultaneously, but
04:50:19.920 separately developed into the study of transsexualism. Interestingly, you're sometimes able to
04:50:25.440 trace the influence of either Benjamin or Caldwell depending on how the word transsexual is spelled. Caldwell often
04:50:32.320 used only a single S. Benjamin always used two.
04:50:38.400 Since Benjamin was one of the only doctors who were gender affirming, he got hundreds of referrals from Caldwell
04:50:45.280 and Robert Stalter, the author of Sex and Gender I talked about earlier.
04:50:50.958 Eventually, Benjamin would meet the person who came to be known as Christine
04:50:56.000 Yarn. Maybe you've heard of her. In 1977, the Harry Benjamin International Gender
04:51:03.040 Dysphoria Association was established. This would later change name to World
04:51:08.160 Professional Association for Transgender Health or VPath. It's funny, times are
04:51:14.560 bleak. Even when I buried myself in this project as I read through disgusting, vile studies, books, and firsthand
04:51:21.440 accounts, my outlook never really changed. I'm not pessimistic. Yes, a
04:51:27.120 trans research is rotten, but within that rot, it is sometimes possible to
04:51:32.160 glean the existence of something truly alive. The accounts from trans people
04:51:37.600 throughout the century are some of the most heartbreaking, beautiful, and lifeaffirming things I have ever read. I
04:51:44.958 never became pessimistic because the light seeped from those accounts and overwhelmed everything else.
04:51:52.718 Trans research is rotten. Yes, but only the research. It's not Benjamin's story
04:51:58.000 that's important here. It's that trans people have always existed and trans people will always continue to exist.
04:52:06.560 Being trans isn't political. But being trans and continuing to live is an act
04:52:11.680 of rebellion, of defiance, of infinite worth. Not only is transjoy an act of
04:52:18.400 resistance, but living in and of itself is an ultimate victory. And that's actually what this whole
04:52:24.480 video is about. This video may have taken 2 years of my life to make, but I
04:52:29.760 have not gone farther than anyone before me. I've not duck deeper. This has only
04:52:34.878 been possible because trans people have already done the work. Yes, the
04:52:40.718 scientific literature on trans people is worse than I thought, but trans people have been against it from the start.
04:52:47.520 They have written and spoken and marched for decades.
04:52:53.120 I got the whole idea of the anti-trans network from the folks at Health Liberation Now. There Lee and Kai
04:52:59.920 document how to avoid conversion therapists and Southern Poverty Law Center who have mapped out the relations
04:53:05.760 of conservative think tanks and anti-trans activists.
04:53:11.120 The map I made is comprised of 55 people and 28 organizations.
04:53:17.680 Are there more? Yes. Will their legacy endure?
04:53:22.958 No. Compare that to the millions of trans people in the world. As more trans
04:53:29.440 people get to live their life, more will become doctors, researchers, philosophers, politicians, journalists,
04:53:35.120 artists, students. Maybe someday trans
04:53:40.320 will no longer be a prefix. Someday they will get to decide for
04:53:45.840 themselves. Now, I would love to take your money. I
04:53:52.320 I really would. But I think it's better spent on the people who made this video possible. You'll find links in the
04:53:57.920 description. Please support them if you have the means. When I saw how Health Liberation Now
04:54:05.040 mapped out their therapists and activists, all I could think was, "That's it.
04:54:12.240 This isn't as bad as I thought. It's the same people over and over and over again." But maybe you already picked up
04:54:18.638 on that. Most anti-trans propaganda is made by just a small handful of people.
04:54:24.878 Keep in mind, Harry Benjamin lived only two generations ago. The person who
04:54:30.080 coined the term transsexual died in 1986. Transess is still in its infancy.
04:54:37.440 The major problem with this video is, of course, that to debunk the anti-trans talking points, I've had to accept the
04:54:43.200 premise of scientific transphobia and transmedicalism, at least as a leverage.
04:54:48.878 I know. I have tried my best. But I believe that I've shown that there
04:54:54.878 is absolutely irrefutably no reason to believe them. They hide behind science
04:55:00.160 because it gives them a veil of deniability. And when that's taken away, what's left? Hate and lies and death.
04:55:08.958 Yes, children are being hurt. Of course they are. These are people who sell
04:55:14.000 their soul to harm their neighbor. parents who want to hurt their own children and researchers who can't
04:55:19.360 accept that their lives work has been a failure. What's more, not only are the anti-trans activists fringe, they are
04:55:26.080 straight up wrong. They try to back up their hate with disinformation and lies
04:55:31.440 because what else have they got? If they accept that trans people exist and can
04:55:36.878 live a normal, fulfilling life, their whole worldview stops making sense.
04:55:42.400 their lifelong mission of conversion therapies and pathologization falls apart.
04:55:48.638 Every single argument against trans people made in this video makes no sense. If only trans people continue on
04:55:55.440 living, then they have nothing. Good.
04:56:01.600 Give them nothing. Live.